69 Headlamp Washer Nozzles
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Burning Brakes
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69 Headlamp Washer Nozzles
G'day Blokes & Sheilas (Guys & Gals),
Can any of you highly knowledgable people give me the dimensions to locate correctly the headlamp washer nozzles in the headlight bezels shown in the picture below?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Mark
Can any of you highly knowledgable people give me the dimensions to locate correctly the headlamp washer nozzles in the headlight bezels shown in the picture below?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Mark
Last edited by M A Fry; Jul 29, 2011 at 04:02 AM.
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Hi Mark,
I really don't know how much, or if, it matters, but I believe the original holes were in the shape of a D. (one flat side on the circle). I guess that was to position the squirter in a certain direction. I'd think you can accompish the same thing in a round hole by how you tighten the nut.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Alan
I really don't know how much, or if, it matters, but I believe the original holes were in the shape of a D. (one flat side on the circle). I guess that was to position the squirter in a certain direction. I'd think you can accompish the same thing in a round hole by how you tighten the nut.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Alan
Last edited by Alan 71; Jul 29, 2011 at 01:55 PM.
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If you have hole-less metal bezels you'd be better off keeping or selling those. Worth a good piece of change. Then buy the appropriate metal bezels with the "D" holes. (which located the flat in the squirter thread)
FYI Your 69 pieces should have the holes on the bottom flat and upper center as shown in the diagram. Later in 70 the lower hole was moved for the reason anyone who has taken them off can appreciate
FYI Your 69 pieces should have the holes on the bottom flat and upper center as shown in the diagram. Later in 70 the lower hole was moved for the reason anyone who has taken them off can appreciate
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If you have hole-less metal bezels you'd be better off keeping or selling those. Worth a good piece of change. Then buy the appropriate metal bezels with the "D" holes. (which located the flat in the squirter thread)
FYI Your 69 pieces should have the holes on the bottom flat and upper center as shown in the diagram. Later in 70 the lower hole was moved for the reason anyone who has taken them off can appreciate
FYI Your 69 pieces should have the holes on the bottom flat and upper center as shown in the diagram. Later in 70 the lower hole was moved for the reason anyone who has taken them off can appreciate
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Hi Dennis,
I read your note about the value of hole-less bezels.
I'd think the ones with the holes (either in the top and bottom flange or in the rib between the lights) would be the more scarce, and valuable, since they dissappeared from production about mid 71 model year.
Aren't there more hole-less versions around than the others.
Regards,
Alan
I read your note about the value of hole-less bezels.
I'd think the ones with the holes (either in the top and bottom flange or in the rib between the lights) would be the more scarce, and valuable, since they dissappeared from production about mid 71 model year.
Aren't there more hole-less versions around than the others.
Regards,
Alan
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Drifting
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Here's a pic from a 70 and a later version black. Parts numbers...
1968------------GM #3911143-LH and GM #3911144-RH
1969-1971-------GM #3957045-LH and GM #3957046-RH
1972------------GM #3911143-LH and GM #3911144-RH (BOTH ARE SAME AS 1968)
1973-82---------GM #331817-LH and GM #331818-RH.
Here's a NCRS thread I stares 10 years or so ago on the subject. Don;t know who might have access to it though http://www.ncrs.org/forums/showthrea...ezels&uid=4565
1968------------GM #3911143-LH and GM #3911144-RH
1969-1971-------GM #3957045-LH and GM #3957046-RH
1972------------GM #3911143-LH and GM #3911144-RH (BOTH ARE SAME AS 1968)
1973-82---------GM #331817-LH and GM #331818-RH.
Here's a NCRS thread I stares 10 years or so ago on the subject. Don;t know who might have access to it though http://www.ncrs.org/forums/showthrea...ezels&uid=4565
Last edited by dennis; Jul 29, 2011 at 06:11 PM.
Drifting
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Hi Dennis,
I read your note about the value of hole-less bezels.
I'd think the ones with the holes (either in the top and bottom flange or in the rib between the lights) would be the more scarce, and valuable, since they dissappeared from production about mid 71 model year.
Aren't there more hole-less versions around than the others.
Regards,
Alan
I read your note about the value of hole-less bezels.
I'd think the ones with the holes (either in the top and bottom flange or in the rib between the lights) would be the more scarce, and valuable, since they dissappeared from production about mid 71 model year.
Aren't there more hole-less versions around than the others.
Regards,
Alan
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Hi Dennis,
That's an interesting thread!
I DIDN'T realize that the change to plastic bezels took place so early. I see now why the plain bezels can be rare.
It just shows how little I know beyond 71 sb, 4spd, coupes.
Thanks for the reply.
Regards,
Alan
That's an interesting thread!
I DIDN'T realize that the change to plastic bezels took place so early. I see now why the plain bezels can be rare.
It just shows how little I know beyond 71 sb, 4spd, coupes.
Thanks for the reply.
Regards,
Alan
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Alan,
Once you got me thinking ,I dug up the thread. Seems there was 2 1/2 years of the hole pieces and 2 years of the hole-less. probably a wash value wise.
Now I'm confused again being that 69 AIM shows the upper and lower on the horizontal of the bezel.(as does my 70 AIM). However that photo of the 70 bezel is original I believe, with the upper on the vertical in between the light openings
Once you got me thinking ,I dug up the thread. Seems there was 2 1/2 years of the hole pieces and 2 years of the hole-less. probably a wash value wise.
Now I'm confused again being that 69 AIM shows the upper and lower on the horizontal of the bezel.(as does my 70 AIM). However that photo of the 70 bezel is original I believe, with the upper on the vertical in between the light openings
Last edited by dennis; Jul 29, 2011 at 09:46 PM.
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Thanks for the help fellas, mine has had the original bezels replaced with the later 73's, but for the sake of this exercise I shall fit the nozzles to these and maybe later look at buying the correct units.
DZR, I take it that the measurements that you have given apply to both top & bottom nozzle positions, is that correct?
Mark
DZR, I take it that the measurements that you have given apply to both top & bottom nozzle positions, is that correct?
Mark
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Thanks for the help fellas, mine has had the original bezels replaced with the later 73's, but for the sake of this exercise I shall fit the nozzles to these and maybe later look at buying the correct units.
DZR, I take it that the measurements that you have given apply to both top & bottom nozzle positions, is that correct?
Mark
DZR, I take it that the measurements that you have given apply to both top & bottom nozzle positions, is that correct?
Mark
I'll try to get back to his place before heading out for the day tomorrow and get that measurement for you.
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Hi,
I looked at my 71 (mid-January, 6589) again. It doesn't have washers, but has the 5 port pump, the washer hose in the vacuum hose bundle/stack, and the holes in the bezels.
The bezels have both D shaped holes in the vertical space between the bulbs, and are #s 045 and 046.
So many variations for a system that really didn't do anything but spit at the headlight bulbs.
Regards,
Alan
Nice pictures RT.
I looked at my 71 (mid-January, 6589) again. It doesn't have washers, but has the 5 port pump, the washer hose in the vacuum hose bundle/stack, and the holes in the bezels.
The bezels have both D shaped holes in the vertical space between the bulbs, and are #s 045 and 046.
So many variations for a system that really didn't do anything but spit at the headlight bulbs.
Regards,
Alan
Nice pictures RT.
Drifting
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Thanks for the pics. That's the only way I've seen the earlier hole placement, which differs from the AIM.(not that that would matter). Maybe someone coild post a 69 photo to see if there was in fact a bezel with holes on both the upper and lower horizontal. I can't imagine trying to get one of those off. Not even sure there's clearance between the upper bezel and HL housing for the squirter tube.
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Here is a picture of my 69 bezel. I did not bother putting the washers in, but the holes are there. I put a piece of paper in the holes to make them easier to see in the photo.
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I'm not saying my measurements are wrong but I just went and looked at both of my brothers '69 bezels and the passengers side is different, both the upper and lower holes are drill into the back of the bezel.
It doesn't even look like the lower squirt-er would be able to hit a lamp.
I just saw in post #9 that my brothers passenger side is exactly like the black one Dennis posted. I guess my brother has a mixed year set? BTW, no nozzles on his either.
It doesn't even look like the lower squirt-er would be able to hit a lamp.
I just saw in post #9 that my brothers passenger side is exactly like the black one Dennis posted. I guess my brother has a mixed year set? BTW, no nozzles on his either.
Last edited by DZRick; Jul 30, 2011 at 09:55 AM.