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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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Yes Sir; A new ZZ383 crate motor from Government Motors, Most dealers have them in stock. Don't mess with the old one at all, with all those filings in it. Pull it & Plug it. same day.
At least the warranty is right at your finger tips. Just plug her in, sell what's left of the first one. Have a great day. Gene
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by doctorgene
Yes Sir; A new ZZ383 crate motor from Government Motors, Most dealers have them in stock. Don't mess with the old one at all, with all those filings in it. Pull it & Plug it. same day.
At least the warranty is right at your finger tips. Just plug her in, sell what's left of the first one. Have a great day. Gene
Hahaa..very well said and funny too.
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 12:17 AM
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Default U still have a lot of good parts.

Have u tried local performance rebuild shops for a price. And most local auto machine shops love this kind of work. U still have a lot of good parts to reuse. Brand new blocks from GM are only $700, used blocks are even less and many feel a conditioned block is better.
If u plan to R&R the engine then u will save big time as most machine shops don't like to pull & install the engine.
My guess is half the cost of a new motor with same performance and as good of a warranty. Only better warranty is to buy from dealer and have same dealer install engine.
Its always a good idea to source out for local machine work and find out who does good work. Try and visit a few shops for an estimate and get u can get a feel for how they do business.
Don't throw those heads, rods or crank away.

Good luck and hope this helps,
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BTW u will have fun with either the Fast Burn 385 or the ZZ385.

One more thing: early roller cams were billet steel cores that essentially last forever and that could save u several hundred $$$ too.

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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 01:31 AM
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Given you've had a reasonably strong 383 already, putting in ZZ383 will not impress you.
The ZZ383 is under cammed in my opinion.
You need something with a bit more grunt.

There are some nice (big) mouse motors available now.
427 and 434 ci would see a bit more smile on your dial.

check out these....

http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/427_realstreet.asp


http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/434_ultrastreet.asp

or if you're really serious.... http://www.ultrastreet.net/poweradde...engine_pwr.asp

or insane....
http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/632_bigdawg_bc.asp

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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OzzyTom
Given you've had a reasonably strong 383 already, putting in ZZ383 will not impress you.
The ZZ383 is under cammed in my opinion.
You need something with a bit more grunt.

There are some nice (big) mouse motors available now.
427 and 434 ci would see a bit more smile on your dial.

check out these....

http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/427_realstreet.asp


http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/434_ultrastreet.asp

or if you're really serious.... http://www.ultrastreet.net/poweradde...engine_pwr.asp

or insane....
http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/632_bigdawg_bc.asp
I agree , the full zz383 engine could easily make more power. The solution is to use the zz383 shortblock as a platform then build it up to your Goals.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 03:52 PM
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Guys, guys, guys, Let's get real, pumping $18,000 to $25,000 into the engine will make me the fastest bachelor in my neighborhood (once I find a new neighborhood). I've decided to go the rebuilt route and get a new block and use as many parts as I can. I should at least get back to where I was HP wise with the least amount of $$$. Let's face it, it's a driving hobby car not a sit in the garage show car and it'll never see the track, at least as long as I own it.

The adventure begins next week. To be continued...
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Guys, guys, guys, Let's get real, pumping $18,000 to $25,000 into the engine will make me the fastest bachelor in my neighborhood (once I find a new neighborhood).
I so hear that, my friend

You can make some smart upgrades during the rebuild process and end up in better shape power-wise. If you're keeping the heads, then figure on around $3K by the time everything's done and the engine's back in the chassis. You can cut that a bit with some work and smarts...but not by much.
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 11:49 PM
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Default Try Flatlander racing for parts.

For less than $900 Flatlander has the entire rotating assembly. http://www.flatlanderracing.com/scatsr-chevysbcast.html

Summit has one piece roller cam blocks clearanced for stroker cranks <$700. But maybe your crank and rods are OK and all u will need only a block and pistons. The machine shop will tell you this. A good shop will give u a quick tour and explain your options. But remember the price is much much lower if u R&R the motor.

Good luck and let us know what the damage is,
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Old Apr 27, 2012 | 03:30 PM
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OK so it’s been a while, (nothing ever goes as planned) at least in my world. All you other guys out there that have things run smooth as silk, I envy you.

So I opted to get a rebuilt block, bored to .3 over and re-use what I could out of my old engine, heads, cam, etc. In a nut shell, this things a BEAST! Better than before. I’ve had it up to 110 and it still had a lot left. That’s as fast as I want to go so don’t go egging me on. I can kill myself just as easily doing 40 in this thing.

Promar up in North Jersey did the work and I got to tell you, Outstanding job. Highly recommend them. Ask for Al, he knows his ****.

New Keith black hypereutectic pistons .030 bore 9.9:1CR
Re-machining of my World Sportsman II heads (Includes Guides, surfacing, cutting seats, and assembly)
Fel Pro Performance head gaskets
Gasket Set
New Retrofit High rev roller lifters
Fel Pro performance intake gaskets
Speed Pro Moly Rings .030
Clevite Main Bearings .010 US
Clevite Rod Bearings .010 US
Roll master Billet timing set
DuraBond Teflon Coated cam bearings
Manley .080 wall pushrods
Melling HV oil pump
Melling Screen
Brass Freeze Plugs
010 casting Replacement Block with .030 bore still 383 CI
Re-Balancing of rotating assembly
Recondition connecting rods
Grind and micro polish crankshaft to 10/10
Assemble with externals (Intake, Pan, Timing, and Harmonic balancer)
New Baffled Valve Covers
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Re-use Crane Hydraulic roller cam
Re-Use roller rocker arms
Re-Use valve train

The engine set up should be approx.. 425-450 HP and approx.. 420-440 Ft Lbs TQ

Re-build cost - $3,199.00
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 02:04 AM
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Not to get off your topic here but I was really surprised to see McPherson College in your post. My wife and I stopped by there last fall. As you may know, it's a VERY small town sort of in the middle of nowhere.

The reason we stopped... My grandfather graduated from there in 1924 He was a minister, but also did a lot of art and we found a copy of the 1920 annual in which he hand drew all of the art for it! Not only that, but they found an extra copy of that yearbook and gave it to my wife and I. Since I also do graphic design etc. this was truly a wonderful gift and a trip I'll never forget.

I have a catalog here for their auto restoration program. Sorry for getting off subject on your post, but I was excited to see that name.

Good luck with your project!
Adam
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 08:10 AM
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Re-build cost - $3,199.00
Was it covered by your insurance policy?
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 09:02 AM
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Sounds like a great build! Surprised to see the HV pump a bit, though - do you know why the engine builder chose that? Did he provide a build sheet with the bearing clearances, piston P/N, etc?
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 10:26 AM
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I see your pretty close to me. Fort Washington is a 20 minute drive. Sounds like you found a good shop for the engine work. We have a machine shop here in Morrisville Pa. They just help me with a 186 head. Martin Motors if you ever need any more work done. What did the block cost? Just wondering.
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