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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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I have a 70 350/350 I am rebuilding. The original harmonic balancer is toast, as the rubber is shot. I can have the original balancer rebuilt for $122. It is 8" in diameter and 1 7/8" wide.

I bought a replacement balancer from Advance Auto for much, much less, but it is only 1 3/8" wide, and the rubbber does not seem to be as thick. It is a Proform 66511. My concern is, will this replacement balancer function as original and protect my engine?
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I have a 70 350/350 I am rebuilding. The original harmonic balancer is toast, as the rubber is shot. I can have the original balancer rebuilt for $122. It is 8" in diameter and 1 7/8" wide.

I bought a replacement balancer from Advance Auto for much, much less, but it is only 1 3/8" wide, and the rubbber does not seem to be as thick. It is a Proform 66511. My concern is, will this replacement balancer function as original and protect my engine?
I would not trust those chinese balancers if you like your engine.

I use the GM 6-7/8 balancers on my performance engines for years with no problems,
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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I would not trust those chinese balancers if you like your engine.
Have you seen them cause problems?
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 12:40 PM
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I'd just buy a new basic dampner; they're relatively inexpensive and fine unless you need SFI certification. You'll likely get a lot of valid debate on the size of the balancer, but an 8" is fine. The smaller, lighter dampner like the one you bought reduces rotating mass...but it doesn't have the same dampening capacity as the old iron duke. You noted you were rebuilding the engine - is it being balanced?

The "economy" line of dampners are from Pioneer or Dorman; this is typically what you'll get at your local parts store. The only problem I've ever seen with one was a too-tight fit on the crank snout on one of the Pioneer balancers - we got creative with a rod hone and opened it up a touch and it was fine. I've got many of these out there with many thousands of street miles with no issues.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PIO-872003/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RNB-594-121/

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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:26 PM
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Have you seen them cause problems?
I won't use them on my engines but I know of some shops that have had issues just do a google search on those balancers.

I build some high end engines and prefer the ATI balancers on most of my builds and I have the measuring and honing equipment to fit balancers with don't have to farm that stuff out LOL.

You might check with NAPA as I have seen their balancers and they look like the same company that makes them for GM, And they are priced right as well.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:30 PM
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Just buy a 'good quality' replacement balancer for your 350cid engine. Go to NAPA or one of the Corvette parts vendors.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 01:37 PM
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I have the same engine as you. Had to replace the balancer 4 years ago, and after lots of searches and opinions, settled on a pioneer part #DA-3502 standard, not HD. Also not made in China.......
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How do you actually know when the balancer has failed? Mine looks like crap from what I can see but don't know what condition it really is in.

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NAPA balancers are both Dorman and Pioneer depending on model, as noted
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Originally Posted by Frankenvette
How do you actually know when the balancer has failed? Mine looks like crap from what I can see but don't know what condition it really is in.

Jim
Mine was pretty easy, as the outer ring was slipping to the rear and making a rhythmic clank, clank hitting the timing chain cover.
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Originally Posted by Frankenvette
How do you actually know when the balancer has failed? Mine looks like crap from what I can see but don't know what condition it really is in.
It's typically the elastomer ring that fails, and it happens in kind of two general modes. General degredation, which you can see with a timing light as "wobble" in the balancer, and slippage, which is typically seen when the timing marks no longer make any sense - i.e. the balancer mark is no longer anywhere near actual TDC.

When in doubt, take a weekend project and replace it...good time for a cam swap
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I am a stickler for originality. I had mine rebuilt by Dampner Doc. They also degreed the dampner. I think I paid $90, but that was maybe 10 years ago. Just another option...
http://www.damperdoctor.com/
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Originally Posted by Frankenvette
How do you actually know when the balancer has failed? Mine looks like crap from what I can see but don't know what condition it really is in.

Jim
The rubber had split and was sticking out of the back so far it was rubbing on the timing chain cover.
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Keryk
I am a stickler for originality. I had mine rebuilt by Dampner Doc. They also degreed the dampner. I think I paid $90, but that was maybe 10 years ago. Just another option...
http://www.damperdoctor.com/
I am not a stickler for originality, but I would like to keep this car as original as possible. The price of $122 I quoted above was from Damper Doc, so the prices have gone up a bit in the last ten years.
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Originally Posted by Dave J
I have the same engine as you. Had to replace the balancer 4 years ago, and after lots of searches and opinions, settled on a pioneer part #DA-3502 standard, not HD. Also not made in China.......
How wide is the outer ring on the DA-3502?
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1 & 5/16
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1 & 5/16
So, not nearly as wide as the original. Sounds a lot like the Proform one I have at hand.
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I would not trust those chinese balancers if you like your engine.

I use the GM 6-7/8 balancers on my performance engines for years with no problems,

Same here. I just don't trust the metal quality with the Chinese stuff. Realy don't like the machining of their parts.
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