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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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Are the rules for maximum compression ratio similar to those for small blocks? I've been offered a pretty nice 496 with a static CR of 10.25: 1 with iron heads. I don't have the cam specs but at first glance, I would say this is too high for the crappy premium gas that you'd find in CA. Is this correct?

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All depends on the cam and dynamic compression ratio. Big cam will bleed off more pressure and needs more static compression.
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Originally Posted by SteveG75
All depends on the cam and dynamic compression ratio. Big cam will bleed off more pressure and needs more static compression.
I understand that but my question is more general. All other things being equal, I would call 10.25:1 high for an SBC. Is the same true for a BBC?
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That is low for a performace motor. Just use above 234 deg intake dur.

It will be fine on 91.
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Not a problem with a decent street cam.

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My 632 has 11.0 and it runs on premuim
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Originally Posted by CA-Legal-Vette
I understand that but my question is more general. All other things being equal, I would call 10.25:1 high for an SBC. Is the same true for a BBC?
I used to have a 454 cid motor , 11-1 cr. , and i had to add a can of octane boost in with the 93 octane gas so it wouldnt ping. The flat tappet cam was 220 duration at .050" and a lift of .480" .... stock iron heads -- the timing was way advanced however.

I now have a bored 468 cid motor, reworked to 10-1 cr , Edelbrock ALum. Heads with hydr. roller cam at 242 duration and .553" lift ---- with timing way advanced. I can run 91 octane without pinging but do get some run-on after being switched off ; 93 octane cures all my problems .
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My 632 has 11.0 and it runs on premuim
Street use only ??? Any pics of it in motion ? HP/TQ ? Plenty of passing power on a 2 lane country road ?!...ha ha ....
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I used to have a 454 cid motor , 11-1 cr. , and i had to add a can of octane boost in with the 93 octane gas so it wouldnt ping. The flat tappet cam was 220 duration at .050" and a lift of .480" .... stock iron heads -- the timing was way advanced however.

I now have a bored 468 cid motor, reworked to 10-1 cr , Edelbrock ALum. Heads with hydr. roller cam at 242 duration and .553" lift ---- with timing way advanced. I can run 91 octane without pinging but do get some run-on after being switched off ; 93 octane cures all my problems .
I've got a somewhat similar spec 427. No run-on. Is your vacuum advance hooked up, and to non-ported vacuum?
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I've got a somewhat similar spec 427. No run-on. Is your vacuum advance hooked up, and to non-ported vacuum?
I have no 'vaccuum' advance ; its a Mallory electronic eye Distributor with module , and I had an experienced Tuner re-curve the Distributor on his bench to set it up for maximum low end torque. Made a night and day difference.
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I have no 'vaccuum' advance ; its a Mallory electronic eye Distributor with module , and I had an experienced Tuner re-curve the Distributor on his bench to set it up for maximum low end torque. Made a night and day difference.
I think we found the cause of your run-on.

If your tuner thinks a vacuum advance hurts low end torque, you need to find another tuner.
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Originally Posted by TheycallmeDave
Street use only ??? Any pics of it in motion ? HP/TQ ? Plenty of passing power on a 2 lane country road ?!...ha ha ....


906hp/845tq. kinsler efi, put 8k miles on it this summer. 4l80 trans if your curious. i will look for a pic of it.
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Originally Posted by 69427
I think we found the cause of your run-on.

If your tuner thinks a vacuum advance hurts low end torque, you need to find another tuner.
The Tuner changed the advance characteristics of the electronic Distributor i have. He doesnt think a vaccuum operated advance hurts low end torque , nor did i indicate such.
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Originally Posted by l88rocket
906hp/845tq. kinsler efi, put 8k miles on it this summer. 4l80 trans if your curious. i will look for a pic of it.
Wow...serious power . Would love to see pics of the motor . Can you list the basic buildup of the Motor for my curiousity ?
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Originally Posted by CA-Legal-Vette
I understand that but my question is more general. All other things being equal, I would call 10.25:1 high for an SBC. Is the same true for a BBC?
I wouldn't call 10.25:1 high.
My STOCK spec '65 L76 (327/365hp) is 11.25:1. Runs just great on 93 pump gas. once or twice I couldn't get 93 so used 91 and it was fine on that also with no pinging or detonation.
I see no reason why a BBC would react differently than a SBC
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Less issues with a 10.25 to 1 BB vs a 10.25 to 1 SB. Cubic inches gives you more torque. Cubic inches also tames a cam. The more CI the lower the operating RPM of a given duration cam. No problem.
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Originally Posted by TheycallmeDave
The Tuner changed the advance characteristics of the electronic Distributor i have. He doesnt think a vaccuum operated advance hurts low end torque , nor did i indicate such.
Yes, and I'd say there's a 98% chance that that's the cause of your run-on issue. Adding higher octane to get rid of it is an expensive bandaid.

If your tuner was "up to speed" he'd have already told you that run-on is going to be a problem with that setup you have.

Add a vacuum advance to your engine and be amazed at how well it idles and the improvement in gas mileage you'll get. OBTW, your exhaust valves will thank you for it too.
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10.25 to 1 Iron head street engine.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-p...?highlight=777
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I'm going to say that 10.25 with iron heads is too much compression for 91, and maybe 93 octane (generally speaking). Cam choice will determine how it works. 10.25 would be a good compression ratio with aluminum heads.
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Originally Posted by 63mako
10.25 to 1 Iron head street engine.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-p...?highlight=777
778 HP on 91 octane with iron heads too.

I think one of my U-joints broke as a result of me looking at the dyno sheet.
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