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Old May 25, 2012 | 10:01 AM
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I am changing the pump on my 78 and have a question related to the fitting that is between the pump and the fuel line. Its a 90* fitting that threads into the pump outlet.

My question is how far must it be threaded into the pump outlet? Mine has a few threads showing (the stock one had one thread showing) so I am not sure if its in far enough. I really torqued on that fitting to install it once it was tight; so much so I feared that I was going to break the pump body (actually used a 12 inch wrench to tighten it.

I am not sure if it seated or not, but it was very, very tight. Anyone else have this experience?

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A tapered pipe thread should first be layered with Teflon tape. Then it needs at least 3 revolutions not only to seal but to provide a good mechanical connection.
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It must have bottomed out if it is tight. For insurance you can use this $5.00 heat and fuel resistant sealer. Works well.

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Just completed my top end rebuild and used this sealer. No leaks!
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Originally Posted by RedZR
I am changing the pump on my 78 and have a question related to the fitting that is between the pump and the fuel line. Its a 90* fitting that threads into the pump outlet.

My question is how far must it be threaded into the pump outlet? Mine has a few threads showing (the stock one had one thread showing) so I am not sure if its in far enough. I really torqued on that fitting to install it once it was tight; so much so I feared that I was going to break the pump body (actually used a 12 inch wrench to tighten it.

I am not sure if it seated or not, but it was very, very tight. Anyone else have this experience?

Dan
The stock fuel pump has a female inverted flare outlet, and this is a straight thread: The pump does not use an adapter, and the inverted flare fuel line screws directly into the pump - no thread sealers are used on straight-thread inverted flare fittings, but a little lube should be used on the threads to assure proper torque. Aftermarket pumps commonly use pipe threads with tapered threads, and require use of an adapter of some sort to convert the female pipe threads to something that will adapt to a fuel line. Most people use a 90-degree adapter, as you have done. Pipe threads, once you have applied either teflon tape or a pipe thread sealer, will seal up just fine once the fitting feels "snug." You will never screw a pipe fitting in until all the threads are engaged, but you should screw it in so you have at least 3 threads engaged: Pipe fittings and threads will all differ slightly in how far the manufacturer tapped the tapered threads, so engagement depth of mating components will always vary.

Does your aftermaket pump have a fuel return provision? Most don't, and it's a real shame to eliminate the return system with the crappy pump gas we're now seeing. - you might want to consider a stock pump which has the inverted flare threads and a fuel return provision...

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Old May 26, 2012 | 12:42 PM
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GM says tighten the 90 degree adapter to 115 inch pounds.
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I knew I had a pic of this somewhere.
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Old May 26, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ...Roger...
I knew I had a pic of this somewhere.
Thanks Roger- that was very timely!
I screwed something up and now need to replace my new fuel pump

I was connecting the fuel line to the fitting on the pump and needed to turn that fitting just a little to make everything line up. When I twisted that fitting a little the darn pump body split right beside the outlet

Sooooooo I made a quick visit to NAPA and my pump should be in tomorrow and I can get the fuel part of my project complete.

BTW anyone had any experiences with Airtex fuel pumps?

Dan
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NAPA #41240 pump works flawlessly. And as to Lars' comment it does have the return line.
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Old May 26, 2012 | 03:34 PM
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nothing wrong with Airtex parts, big company and I believe Airtex has been or currently original equipment......they make the electric pumps
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Originally Posted by lars
The stock fuel pump has a female inverted flare outlet, and this is a straight thread: The pump does not use an adapter, and the inverted flare fuel line screws directly into the pump - no thread sealers are used on straight-thread inverted flare fittings, but a little lube should be used on the threads to assure proper torque. Aftermarket pumps commonly use pipe threads with tapered threads, and require use of an adapter of some sort to convert the female pipe threads to something that will adapt to a fuel line. Most people use a 90-degree adapter, as you have done. Pipe threads, once you have applied either teflon tape or a pipe thread sealer, will seal up just fine once the fitting feels "snug." You will never screw a pipe fitting in until all the threads are engaged, but you should screw it in so you have at least 3 threads engaged: Pipe fittings and threads will all differ slightly in how far the manufacturer tapped the tapered threads, so engagement depth of mating components will always vary.

Does your aftermaket pump have a fuel return provision? Most don't, and it's a real shame to eliminate the return system with the crappy pump gas we're now seeing. - you might want to consider a stock pump which has the inverted flare threads and a fuel return provision...

Lars
Lars,

Yes, it has the return line. The car has 26k miles on it and aside from the converter, all the smog stuff is in place & works. Thank you for helping with this, I appreciate it
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