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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 12:09 AM
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I run a paper filter and 10x3 (4?cant recall) open element
very stout stroker and makes 0 difference over a K and N

I never ever noticed a difference running a cold air system have gone both ways. Ill build another box just cause i like the cooler air but Im guessing if you are under 100 it wont do a damn thing SOTP except look pretty.
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mac79vette
Do you have a thread on here with the making of it? What is it made out of? It looks really good and you did a good job.
I have been using a stock duel snorkel with the all the factory duct work to get cool air, but I worry that the portion that goes over the top of the radiator core support is restrictive because it is so thin. I do know that the car made more power on a dyno with that set up than a open 14 X 3 in air cleaner, and the car runs 105 mph in a quarter with the stock air cleaner consistently, and with the open air cleaner it is inconsistent and runs 101-103 mph in a quarter. No one can tell me that cold air does not make a difference.
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its thin.. but very wide... and with a good seal you have some ram air there, but with the stock unit it is lost before the filter due to bad seals, but you still do have the fresh cooler air. thus your better times.

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OEMs don't spend the money for no reason.
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
I run a paper filter and 10x3 (4?cant recall) open element
very stout stroker and makes 0 difference over a K and N

I never ever noticed a difference running a cold air system have gone both ways. Ill build another box just cause i like the cooler air but Im guessing if you are under 100 it wont do a damn thing SOTP except look pretty.

did you read about the difference in cold air being more dense? did you read the evidence and math i presented? why do you think it would work better with a 40* difference at 100* rather than say 70*? what is your logic?
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 12:01 AM
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I was just looking at some of the factory air cleaner parts on zip and realized/remembered that the cold air duel snorkel air cleaners from GM were only on 79-82 corvettes and on 78, maybe 79 also only on L-82 cars.
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mac79vette
I was just looking at some of the factory air cleaner parts on zip and realized/remembered that the cold air duel snorkel air cleaners from GM were only on 79-82 corvettes and on 78, maybe 79 also only on L-82 cars.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by noonie
For the last 25+ years on cars, trucks and industrial applications.
OEMs don't spend the money for no reason.
I don't recall anyone really saying it doesn't work at all... why does everyone want to skip over the important point that's trying to be made.
its the exaggerated claims that you can bolt on 20-30 horsepower with an air cleaner setup..... real world application show 4-8 at most in most cases and newer fuel injected engines with sensors that measure the air temps might benefit more from one than a non computer controlled less efficient Carb engine...
In the vehicles I have tried it I have noticed no noticeable boost in power.... same goes for air filter element unless the old element was really plugged.

Manufacturers of such product use extreme unrealistic scenerios or just plain lie to sell more product.... this is no exception.
Besides .... OEMs put things like exccesive chrome and fins! on cars for many years too why? To sell cars....that's the main goal ... marketing is just as important as function. In fact there are many developments that would increase a vehicles performance and efficiency that aren't used for that same reason... if it sells cars they use it... it it don't they drop it period.

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:43 PM
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I use K&N filters in most of my vehicles, but I throw them out when they get too dirty. when you re oil them they are never the same
The specs say the initial oiling should be good for 50,000 miles.

I'm going to toss mine at about 25,000, and just buy another one. At my rate of driving, that will be about 15 years.

I think I can afford a cleaner every 15 years.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:46 PM
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Are their any early studies as to why Chevy went with the L88 cold air set up, vs simple element under the hood? We think we know that it was for performance purposes, but is there any documentation on it?
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy
I don't recall anyone really saying it doesn't work at all... why does everyone want to skip over the important point that's trying to be made.
its the exaggerated claims that you can bolt on 20-30 horsepower with an air cleaner setup..... real world application show 4-8 at most in most cases and newer fuel injected engines with sensors that measure the air temps might benefit more from one than a non computer controlled less efficient Carb engine...
In the vehicles I have tried it I have noticed no noticeable boost in power.... same goes for air filter element unless the old element was really plugged.

Manufacturers of such product use extreme unrealistic scenerios or just plain lie to sell more product.... this is no exception.
Besides .... OEMs put things like exccesive chrome and fins! on cars for many years too why? To sell cars....that's the main goal ... marketing is just as important as function. In fact there are many developments that would increase a vehicles performance and efficiency that aren't used for that same reason... if it sells cars they use it... it it don't they drop it period.
Its all marketing B.S. and hype from engineering types who focus on trivia and minutia that make no practical sense in the real world of the classic Corvette. Sorry to sound as those I am labeling people, cause I am happy we can all mod our cars as we want, and believe what we want to believe. I just like to add my side of it to keep it straight for us real people who drive and restore classic cars on and for the street.
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Originally Posted by iwasmenowhesgone


Its all marketing B.S. and hype from engineering types who focus on trivia and minutia that make no practical sense in the real world of the classic Corvette. Sorry to sound as those I am labeling people, cause I am happy we can all mod our cars as we want, and believe what we want to believe. I just like to add my side of it to keep it straight for us real people who drive and restore classic cars on and for the street.
I see your point I started by just trying to bring a little reality and facts into a thread going off course with opinions that are totally not in line with any REAL WORLD testing results from unbiased people. I guess I caught up it the discussion end of why...
If you don't want any facts messing with your preconceived notions why are you here reading this thread?
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy
I see your point I started by just trying to bring a little reality and facts into a thread going off course with opinions that are totally not in line with any REAL WORLD testing results from unbiased people. I guess I caught up it the discussion end of why...
If you don't want any facts messing with your preconceived notions why are you here reading this thread?
Augiedoggy, I totally agree with you and was supporting your point. We are on the same page.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy
Without better flowing heads, exhaust, intake and Carb it matters very little how much air is available at the top of the Carb.... it can utilize a marginal amount and that can only stay so cool for so long... you can help by doing other mods to keep temps down in the engine compartment but still the advantage isn't going to be as big as mentioned above... certainly not in a street environment... it it did we would see 20-30 HP gains on a dyno with the air cleaner removed and the hood opened.


You have to have additional mods to process/digest "more" air you are sucking in. Without it, it will not make much difference. I ran test on my Navigator with stock paper vs KN and it actually gotten better MPG and better performance with stock paper filter than K&N. I also had a friend who installed K&N CAI on a 350Z and was very very upset. It absolutely did nothing far as performance. So he called K&N and they told him that CAI will perform better if he had headers, tuners, etc.

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