C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Hard Steering

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 02:40 PM
  #1  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default Hard Steering

Got a basic question. What are the most common power steering problems that would cause hard steering. I have a 78. When the car is stationary and idling or when I'm manuvering the car in and out of the garage, steering is quite hard. I must use two hands in these circumstances. When driving at normal speeds the steering still feels slow and NOT agile.

Thanks!
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 02:44 PM
  #2  
MelWff's Avatar
MelWff
Race Director
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 18,626
Likes: 2,553
Default

Low tire pressure, wrong caster angle in alignment, low power steering fluid level, bad steering control valve or pump.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 04:05 PM
  #3  
Easy Mike's Avatar
Easy Mike
Team Owner
Supporting Lifetime
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 38,923
Likes: 1,481
From: Southbound
Cruise-In II Veteran
Default

Keep in mind it's power assisted steering, not full power.

Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 04:19 PM
  #4  
hugie82's Avatar
hugie82
Safety Car
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 49
From: Bridgewater nj
Default

That's the way they are if you have the wide tires and the small steering wheel that came out in 78, its power assist at best

The good news is there is a nice post on here, detailing how to bump up the pressure in the PS pump with a Chevy astro van regulator.

I'm waiting until something goes or starts leaking and I'll be doing the upgrade myself. Until then, keep the tire pressure up
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 09:48 PM
  #5  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default

Had a proper four wheel alignment done at a place that knows C3 corvettes. The alignment is spot on.

I changed the control valve a few years ago but it did not really help.

I may try to change the pump next.

I do have the P255 60 15 tires on this Silver Ann model. And yes, steering this beast has always been a challenge. I heard the more narrow tires are easier to steer.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 09:49 PM
  #6  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by hugie82
That's the way they are if you have the wide tires and the small steering wheel that came out in 78, its power assist at best

The good news is there is a nice post on here, detailing how to bump up the pressure in the PS pump with a Chevy astro van regulator.

I'm waiting until something goes or starts leaking and I'll be doing the upgrade myself. Until then, keep the tire pressure up
Is there a link to this upgrade you mentioned?

Thanks!
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2013 | 10:50 PM
  #7  
PeteZO6's Avatar
PeteZO6
Drifting
15 Year Member
Veteran: Air Force
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,970
Likes: 45
From: Cameron Park CA
Default

You can increase or decrease the output pressure of the p/s pump. You have to disassemble the flow valve and add shims (washers) for less pressure, and remove them to increase pressure.

http://borgeson.com/instructions/899001

You will have to make or buy the tool to hold the flow valve in a vice to disassemble the valve. I think the tool and shims from Borgeson was ~$17. My goal was to reduce pressure as I wanted more resistance, but you can go the other way.


Pete
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2013 | 08:26 AM
  #8  
Jim Shea's Avatar
Jim Shea
Le Mans Master
Supporting Lifetime Gold
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,001
Likes: 112
From: Saginaw Michigan
Default

Increasing or decreasing the pump control valve ultimate pressure relief will not change the "down the road" feel of your steering system.

When you driving straight down the road your pump only has to develop 50 to 100 psi of pressure to assist your steering. However, when you are standing still; with engine running; foot brake applied; on a concrete parking surface your pump will have to develop 900 psi or more of assist pressure so that you can turn the steering wheel all the way to full lock.

The control valve (attached between the relay rod and the pitman arm on the steering gear) and the amount of flow from the pump is what dictates the amount of steering assist. Higher flow output from the pump will make the steering more responsive and will result in lower effort to steer the car. The pump outlet fitting can be swapped or the throat of the fitting can be carefully enlarged to increase the amount of flow from the pump. The flow control valve (inside the pump, just behind the fitting) does not have to be adjusted or changed.

Jim
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-9

Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

 Joe Kucinski
Old Oct 8, 2013 | 10:26 AM
  #9  
MelWff's Avatar
MelWff
Race Director
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 18,626
Likes: 2,553
Default Tire Pressure

Originally Posted by impalaman
Had a proper four wheel alignment done at a place that knows C3 corvettes. The alignment is spot on.

I changed the control valve a few years ago but it did not really help.

I may try to change the pump next.

I do have the P255 60 15 tires on this Silver Ann model. And yes, steering this beast has always been a challenge. I heard the more narrow tires are easier to steer.
What cold tire pressure are you running?
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2013 | 02:32 PM
  #10  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by MelWff
What cold tire pressure are you running?
Whatever the recommendation is..... 32, 34, etc.... Can't remember off hand.
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2013 | 02:46 PM
  #11  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Jim Shea
Increasing or decreasing the pump control valve ultimate pressure relief will not change the "down the road" feel of your steering system.

When you driving straight down the road your pump only has to develop 50 to 100 psi of pressure to assist your steering. However, when you are standing still; with engine running; foot brake applied; on a concrete parking surface your pump will have to develop 900 psi or more of assist pressure so that you can turn the steering wheel all the way to full lock.

The control valve (attached between the relay rod and the pitman arm on the steering gear) and the amount of flow from the pump is what dictates the amount of steering assist. Higher flow output from the pump will make the steering more responsive and will result in lower effort to steer the car. The pump outlet fitting can be swapped or the throat of the fitting can be carefully enlarged to increase the amount of flow from the pump. The flow control valve (inside the pump, just behind the fitting) does not have to be adjusted or changed.

Jim
Jim I assume you are referring to drilling out (slightly) part number 24 listed on the diagram above in order to create more flow from the pump. How much larger should it be?

I want my steering to be easy. I want to steer it with a finger!
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2013 | 03:33 PM
  #12  
PeteZO6's Avatar
PeteZO6
Drifting
15 Year Member
Veteran: Air Force
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,970
Likes: 45
From: Cameron Park CA
Default

Originally Posted by impalaman

I want my steering to be easy. I want to steer it with a finger!
Borgeson!

Pete
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2013 | 07:36 PM
  #13  
CaseyJones's Avatar
CaseyJones
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,503
Likes: 33
From: McGrady NC
St. Jude Donor '15-'16
Default

Just rebuilt the steering on my '80 with 255/60R-15 Goodrich T/A's. New pump from Advance Auto, complete front end kit from a supporting vendor, new hydraulic ram, control valve, and hoses from a local Corvette supplier (looks like Corvette Central packaging). Adjusted the steering box a little and it drives like a dream. Easy steering on the road and turning lock to lock sitting still in my garage is a snap. Some effort but nothing my wife would complain about. You have something else going on.
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 12:00 AM
  #14  
impalaman's Avatar
impalaman
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by CaseyJones
Just rebuilt the steering on my '80 with 255/60R-15 Goodrich T/A's. New pump from Advance Auto, complete front end kit from a supporting vendor, new hydraulic ram, control valve, and hoses from a local Corvette supplier (looks like Corvette Central packaging). Adjusted the steering box a little and it drives like a dream. Easy steering on the road and turning lock to lock sitting still in my garage is a snap. Some effort but nothing my wife would complain about. You have something else going on.
I'm going to just start by replacing the pump with one from Advance Auto. I live in that place.

All of the ball joints, tie rods, control arm bushings, etc.... are original to 1978 and have never been apart. Only thing that has been done to the front end is a complete brake job, shocks, new control valve, hydraulic ram, and hydraulic hoses.
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 02:35 PM
  #15  
doctorgene's Avatar
doctorgene
Drifting
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,889
Likes: 23
From: Kansas
Default

PeteZ06,, Is right on the money, I rebuilt one part at a time. six mos. lost. Spent 650.00 & 7 hrs labor & with new Alignment. It is the fun car it needs to be. Have a great one. Gene
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 07:07 PM
  #16  
mrmagrath's Avatar
mrmagrath
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 803
Likes: 4
From: Christchurch, New Zealand
Default

Part 6 in Jim's diagram can be installed back to front, as I found when I rebuilt my p/s pump. Then it won't work at all.
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 07:18 PM
  #17  
oldboat's Avatar
oldboat
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 353
Likes: 30
From: warwick rhode island
Default

check out the thread link below.
remember if you do drill the fitting the steering effort will be decreased across the full operating range. you may not like how light the steering feels at highway speeds.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...some-help.html
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 07:32 PM
  #18  
7T1vette's Avatar
7T1vette
Team Owner
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 37,637
Likes: 3,113
From: Crossville TN
Default

Your power steering system may not be providing any "assist" at all. Manual steering is not really that difficult, except for tight turns and/or steering at very slow speeds. Being so difficult to turn the wheel when at slow speeds, it's hard to tell that it might not be working properly at cruising speeds!

The likely problem areas (in order of likelihood sequence) are:

1) low on power steering fluid; if it doesn't have fluid, it can't 'pump'.

2) drive belt slipping, but so loose it doesn't squeal.

3) internal problem with the P/S control valve; it's an easy rebuild for not much money. DIY is less expensive AND BETTER than replacement.

4) P/S pump problem; ie. stuck pressure valve or vane wear-out.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Hard Steering





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:13 AM.

story-0
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-2
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

Slideshow: 10 major Corvette problems from the last 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-14 16:37:05


VIEW MORE
story-5
5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

Slideshow: 5 most and least popular Corvette model years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 13:25:01


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette buyer's guide

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-17 16:41:08


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)

Slideshow: 10 things C8 Corvette owners hate, but won't tell you.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-01 18:36:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!

Slideshow: Should you add one of these incredible Corvettes to your garage?

By Brett Foote | 2026-04-01 18:14:05


VIEW MORE
story-9
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

Slideshow: Every Corvette Grand Sport explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-26 07:13:44


VIEW MORE