Which has the Quickest Steering Response ?
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Melting Slicks
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Which has the Quickest Steering Response ?
Did a search couldn't find much on a comparison.
Would like quicker steering, less turns lock to lock. Currently have something like 3.75 turns. Looking at a rack and pinion system and the Borgensen steering box. Car is a 72
Like to hear from anyone that has tried both and folks that have made a conversion. thanks
Would like quicker steering, less turns lock to lock. Currently have something like 3.75 turns. Looking at a rack and pinion system and the Borgensen steering box. Car is a 72
Like to hear from anyone that has tried both and folks that have made a conversion. thanks
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quick steering
Did a search couldn't find much on a comparison.
Would like quicker steering, less turns lock to lock. Currently have something like 3.75 turns. Looking at a rack and pinion system and the Borgensen steering box. Car is a 72
Like to hear from anyone that has tried both and folks that have made a conversion. thank
Would like quicker steering, less turns lock to lock. Currently have something like 3.75 turns. Looking at a rack and pinion system and the Borgensen steering box. Car is a 72
Like to hear from anyone that has tried both and folks that have made a conversion. thank
Melting Slicks
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my 68 that I use for track days has steeroids. great choice, good feel on the track, for street driving maybe more than what you need. it's very quick and demands your concentration. my 69 daily driver; been driving it with the Borg update for a week now and it's great improvement over stock P/S. my .02 worth from one who is using both types. Terry PS my gal pal really likes the Borg. but she doesn't know if the guys are checking her out or the car. I told her they were just jealous of me, next to her in the car.
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I have the Steeroids as well. From center 1 1/4 turn each way. I wouldn't want it any faster as it doesn't take much to change it's direction at highway speeds.
My understanding is the flex issue was addressed sometime ago with new brackets. I must say they are pretty stout and the drivers side even has another section to connect the frame to the bracket. The passenger side bracket is pretty thick.
Completely happy with it.
My understanding is the flex issue was addressed sometime ago with new brackets. I must say they are pretty stout and the drivers side even has another section to connect the frame to the bracket. The passenger side bracket is pretty thick.
Completely happy with it.
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glad to hear
my 68 that I use for track days has steeroids. great choice, good feel on the track, for street driving maybe more than what you need. it's very quick and demands your concentration. my 69 daily driver; been driving it with the Borg update for a week now and it's great improvement over stock P/S. my .02 worth from one who is using both types. Terry PS my gal pal really likes the Borg. but she doesn't know if the guys are checking her out or the car. I told her they were just jealous of me, next to her in the car.
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I have been running the Steeroids kit on my 1972 for 3 years now.
I do trackdays and the annual club Championship and it works just great.
However i Went a bit further and welded the brackets to the frame and changed out the thick rubber bushing for the bracket on the drivers side to a milled version in aluminum to reduce the flex this rubber bushing allow.
The steering is just so much better then the original setup you wont belive it.
Approx 2,5 turns lock to lock.
You will loose some turning radious with the Steeroids kit but it really doesnt matter at all.
Unfortunatly i havent had the chance to drive a car with the Borgeson to compare..
This is how my welded brackets looks.
I do trackdays and the annual club Championship and it works just great.
However i Went a bit further and welded the brackets to the frame and changed out the thick rubber bushing for the bracket on the drivers side to a milled version in aluminum to reduce the flex this rubber bushing allow.
The steering is just so much better then the original setup you wont belive it.
Approx 2,5 turns lock to lock.
You will loose some turning radious with the Steeroids kit but it really doesnt matter at all.
Unfortunatly i havent had the chance to drive a car with the Borgeson to compare..
This is how my welded brackets looks.
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I have the Borgensen on my 79. I just got the body back on the frame so I cant speak for the performance of it, but the install was as easy as installing the stock system. I have a small block and Hooker headers and there is plenty of clearance. I am impressed at how tight the steering feels by turning it by hand.
I did a lot of research between the Rack and Pinion and the Borgensen units and I spoke to a few places that build C3 Corvettes that have dealt with both and they recommended the Borgensen over the Rack. Also I have a friend that had a 81 that had a rack and pinion and he had to replace the brackets because they bent and than later with only 20,000 miles on it the inside hemi joint that is used for a tie rod end came apart and he wrecked the car.
I did a lot of research between the Rack and Pinion and the Borgensen units and I spoke to a few places that build C3 Corvettes that have dealt with both and they recommended the Borgensen over the Rack. Also I have a friend that had a 81 that had a rack and pinion and he had to replace the brackets because they bent and than later with only 20,000 miles on it the inside hemi joint that is used for a tie rod end came apart and he wrecked the car.
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I do. 
I have a thread that i try to update every now an then.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...racetrack.html
I have a thread that i try to update every now an then.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-g...racetrack.html
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I'm running a SBC in the 68 . also installed is the spreader from VP&B to stop the front end flex across the shock towers. running 9.5 wheels with slicks. don't know if a BBC allows for a spreader. car weighs in at 3030lbs with almost a 50/50 weight ratio. the Steeroids is a great improvement over the original manuel steering. fantastic on the track feels very solid. even reduced the diameter of the steer wheel. the only problem I had was blowing up P/S pumps , resiviors on a OEM and AGR pumps, but that might be because of 7400 red line. always finding that weak link to throw more money at, but that's racing. Terry
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I'm running a SBC in the 68 . also installed is the spreader from VP&B to stop the front end flex across the shock towers. running 9.5 wheels with slicks. don't know if a BBC allows for a spreader. car weighs in at 3030lbs with almost a 50/50 weight ratio. the Steeroids is a great improvement over the original manuel steering. fantastic on the track feels very solid. even reduced the diameter of the steer wheel. the only problem I had was blowing up P/S pumps , resiviors on a OEM and AGR pumps, but that might be because of 7400 red line. always finding that weak link to throw more money at, but that's racing. Terry
Quick steering is only good for low speed driving. If I could get slower steering I would.
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a power rack with a vairable speed pump would be the way to go, the higher the rpm the less power to the rack, flamming river has one, there tech guy told me that way its not twitchy at higher speeds, and gives more power at lower rpm.
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when you're going through some quick S's on the track the quick steering of a power rack is terrific. but when you're on the breezeway where your concentration isn't as acute as on the track, the power rack still is. my point is if your car is basically for street driving with some excursions to the track the Borg is the bomb, if your leaning more for the road track the power rack is the way to go. please take in mind that the suspension in my car is very tight and set up for the track. just my experience and 2cents. Terry
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A big thanks to all who posted 
A lot of great information here. Early on I was leaning towards a rack system. I have talked to some of the vendors that sell both the rack and the steering box and I was encouraged to buy the Borgenson.
Would like to have some track days just for some fun and still have a cruiser.
I wondered what a smaller diameter steering wheel would do for response. Some have tried that too. The stock wheel and steering setup is just too slow for anything but the highway.
Long term plans are to install a spreader bar (I have that), quicker steering, 17' wheels, a 200r4 or Tremec OD transmission, change out the rear gear to a 3.55 or 3.73 (currently have a 400 with a 3.08 rear gear)
The car is ok now to drive but I can't help to believe it could be much more fun. Stay tuned !!
A lot of great information here. Early on I was leaning towards a rack system. I have talked to some of the vendors that sell both the rack and the steering box and I was encouraged to buy the Borgenson.
Would like to have some track days just for some fun and still have a cruiser.
I wondered what a smaller diameter steering wheel would do for response. Some have tried that too. The stock wheel and steering setup is just too slow for anything but the highway.
Long term plans are to install a spreader bar (I have that), quicker steering, 17' wheels, a 200r4 or Tremec OD transmission, change out the rear gear to a 3.55 or 3.73 (currently have a 400 with a 3.08 rear gear)
The car is ok now to drive but I can't help to believe it could be much more fun. Stay tuned !!
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Thats correct v2racing, i stuck to the thinner rubber bushing on the right hand side just becouse of that reason.
The thick bushing on the left side (drivers side) that i replaced takes up all the side forces and here the milled aluminum one does a great job.
I have been running this Power asisted R&P for 3 years now without hickups.
Here one can see both the aluminum bushing on the LH side of the car and the rubber one on the RH side.
The thick bushing on the left side (drivers side) that i replaced takes up all the side forces and here the milled aluminum one does a great job.
I have been running this Power asisted R&P for 3 years now without hickups.
Here one can see both the aluminum bushing on the LH side of the car and the rubber one on the RH side.