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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:58 PM
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1. What is the specific process for bench bleeding a corvette master cylinder.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 11:15 PM
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It sounds as if the rear brake calipers should be inspected to see that they have the 2 bleeder screws. On my vettes I know I have them. That may be part of the problem you are having with getting all the air out.

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To gravity bleed just take the cover off the master and open the bleeder and wait until fluid starts running out.

Did you try bleeding all 4 screws on the rear calipers yet? If you've been able to pump fluid through the master by bleeding it then I can't see you needing to bench bleed. Typically, you can't get any fluid flow when you need to bench bleed.
Actually I decided to take some of the advice from this list and change out the rubber hoses before I do the bleed. And then of course I ruined one of the steel line fittings (been there since new I think), so am waiting for the replacement line to get here! Will respond back to this thread after it gets here next week. There's still LOTS of other things for me to do <g>. Thanks.
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Old Nov 9, 2013 | 12:24 AM
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And then of course I ruined one of the steel line fittings.


Bin there done that!
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Old Nov 9, 2013 | 12:34 AM
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It sounds as if the rear brake calipers should be inspected to see that they have the 2 bleeder screws. On my vettes I know I have them. That may be part of the problem you are having with getting all the air out.

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I'm sorry, I thought I'd mentioned that. Yes, the rears DO have both inners and outers.
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Old Nov 17, 2013 | 01:30 PM
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OK, I'm back. Replaced all four hoses and one metal line, refilled master cylinder, bled it, and went thru bleeding sequence on rears (inners & outers) plus fronts. I used a buddy to help by sitting in car, pumping brake pedal and then holding down while I popped open bleeders and closed them. Did this many, many times. Went thru darn near 2 qts of new brake fluid and yet contine to see air in rears. Fronts seem to be ok with no visible air seen. But with rears, I see 1-2 cycles with no air, but then the next cycle produces air. I detect no fluid leaks anywhere in the system. I think I need to keep trying, but do so with no better results. Am thinking bad master cylinder???

All of the bleeding is done with engine off. During the process, we do start to get a hard pedal (approx 50% travel but when we start the engine (power brakes), the pedal goes almost to floor. Whassup w/that?

Any thoughts/ideas?

thanks in advance!

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Old Nov 17, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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well, this should have been said before. it helps to tap on the calipers to break up the air bubbles and move them through. some may try to take exception to that but the guy who taught brakes at the G.M training centers told me that years ago.
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well, this should have been said before. it helps to tap on the calipers to break up the air bubbles and move them through. some may try to take exception to that but the guy who taught brakes at the G.M training centers told me that years ago.
Did that as well . . . didn't help.
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then i suspect your lip seals may be allowing air into the system.
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Old Nov 18, 2013 | 12:33 PM
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Sorry to sound dumb, but what exactly are "lip seals"?

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Lip seals are the seals that surround the pistons on the calipers. When they deteriorate they can allow air past them and into the system.

100% sure you don't have any small leaks anywhere?
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you can get an o ring conversion kit and do away with the lip seals. a lot of people think they are superior , i believe they are.
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If you find a rebuild of your calipers to be necessary, o-ring seals are the technically superior option to lip seals.
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Old Nov 18, 2013 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wayneyada
Sorry to sound dumb, but what exactly are "lip seals"?

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"Lip" or "U-cup seal"



"Oring seal"

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If you find a rebuild of your calipers to be necessary, o-ring seals are the technically superior option to lip seals.
That is simply opinion, not fact.
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how then does opinion become fact?
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Old Nov 19, 2013 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteZO6
That is simply opinion, not fact.
Ok, I won't argue the point.

GM switched to o-rings in the 1980s, and I've had good luck myself with o-rings. Lip seals have been used for decades as well.
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