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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 10:12 AM
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Time to replace my starter.
My 1975 GM service manual says:

"On Corvette models, apply sealer around the starter motor where it enters the engine splash shield to prevent dirt and water entry into the clutch and flywheel housing."

I have never heard of applying sealant (or ever applied it) when replacing a starter before. (Wouldn't be the first time I have learned something years after the fact.)

So if needed, what type of sealant should I use and where should it go?
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 10:17 AM
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Never heard of that, either. I'd guess you could just use some sort of RTV, if you like.
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by C3Hawk
Time to replace my starter.
My 1975 GM service manual says:

"On Corvette models, apply sealer around the starter motor where it enters the engine splash shield to prevent dirt and water entry into the clutch and flywheel housing."

I have never heard of applying sealant (or ever applied it) when replacing a starter before. (Wouldn't be the first time I have learned something years after the fact.)

So if needed, what type of sealant should I use and where should it go?
The factory applied black strip chalk as described. I use the 3M strip chalk.

Bill
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 01:48 PM
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I've never done it but I guess it couldn't hurt
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 02:47 PM
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Hi,
The sealer that Bill describes is shown in the AIM, UPC6, Sheet B2, (in 1971), since the starter was bolted to the engine in St.Louis.
There's a detail and note that cautions that the drain hole in the starter's case is to be left free of the sealer.
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Old Mar 30, 2014 | 05:38 PM
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If you drive your car in the rain or muck, put the sealant on it. If you don't, skip it and you don't have to clean it off when you need to work on the starter.
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Originally Posted by 1974ta
The factory applied black strip chalk as described. I use the 3M strip chalk.
The 3M strip caulk is the most common cross-reference I could find, too (part no. 3743852) for symbol 194 in the A.I.M. In the A.I.M. It looks like they made a complete ring with the sealant. Seems like I might give it a try since I sometimes use my Vette as an all-weather vehicle!

Thanks for the note about the drain hole, Alan.

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Sealant.....right.....60 years of working on cars and I have YET to put the 'dust' shield plate/pan/useless metal back on any car, and have yet to have any failure as a result.....

I FEEL it's a GM CYA move so mechanics don't get hurt when engine running on a lift.....

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Originally Posted by mrvette
Sealant.....right.....60 years of working on cars and I have YET to put the 'dust' shield plate/pan/useless metal back on any car, and have yet to have any failure as a result.....

I FEEL it's a GM CYA move so mechanics don't get hurt when engine running on a lift.....

lawyers, and crap.....


I hear you I been leaving them off for 25 years never any problems in fact I think the tq converter stays cooler with out it.
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I have never done that .I may have to have a recall.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bromleys Corvettes
I hear you I been leaving them off for 25 years never any problems in fact I think the tq converter stays cooler with out it.
Mine is off right now and I was planning on putting it back on this weekend.....
Might reconsider......???

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The main reason for the inspection cover is to provide a "skid pad" in case you run over something on the road or drive over a curb, etc. Then you have some smooth sheet metal that the teeth on the flywheel can hit without them digging into concrete or other nasty things.

But, leave it off if you want. It's your car.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
The main reason for the inspection cover is to provide a "skid pad" in case you run over something on the road or drive over a curb, etc. Then you have some smooth sheet metal that the teeth on the flywheel can hit without them digging into concrete or other nasty things.

But, leave it off if you want. It's your car.
Hmmm....I don't drive it in the rain....and I don't run over many curbs, but I guess I'll go on and put it back....it's just 4 little screws...


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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 03:23 PM
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Leave the shield off - it will help to grind up any cat you run over.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for this thread, Hawk. Might someone be able to post a photo of the (hopefully original) caulk strip in place, thereby demonstrating just how it is supposed to look?
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 07:01 PM
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The shield is there to protect the internal and external components of that car and the people around it.
Not replacing the inspection cover on a stick-shift car is just stupid.
Leaving it off on an automatic is not not much smarter-

The front of the bellhousing on a stick car is nothing but a big scoop facing forward- Do you really want to ingest any rocks or other debris from the road and either fling it out at someone at high velocity or or have it lodge itself in the clutch somewhere?
No thank you!
Would you mow your lawn without the deflector attached to the discharge? Same idea.

Seems folks like to use all sorts of excuses why they don't put them back on to cover the true reason- Laziness.

For the extra 10 minutes it takes to take it on or off is it really worth the damage to the car or the potential injury to people around you?

Wow.. I must be turning into my father..
To each their own but please let me know if you don't have a cover in place so I can stay away from your car when it's running.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ezobens
The shield is there to protect the internal and external components of that car and the people around it.
Not replacing the inspection cover on a stick-shift car is just stupid.
Leaving it off on an automatic is not not much smarter-

The front of the bellhousing on a stick car is nothing but a big scoop facing forward- Do you really want to ingest any rocks or other debris from the road and either fling it out at someone at high velocity or or have it lodge itself in the clutch somewhere?
No thank you!
Would you mow your lawn without the deflector attached to the discharge? Same idea.

Seems folks like to use all sorts of excuses why they don't put them back on to cover the true reason- Laziness.

For the extra 10 minutes it takes to take it on or off is it really worth the damage to the car or the potential injury to people around you?

Wow.. I must be turning into my father..
To each their own but please let me know if you don't have a cover in place so I can stay away from your car when it's running.
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Well said. When I was a young inexperienced dealer technician I left off an engine lift eye because it wasn't needed. The customer ripped me a new one because it was part of his car that he paid for. He was correct and I never left a part off a customer's vehicle again. I realized that I am not qualified to question the bank of engineers who designed the vehicle and decided without my input why certain parts are put on cars.
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Sounds a little messy and never heard or seen sealant on a shield. Do you live in dusty or road salt area? That would be my only issue. To keep things clean.
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