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Now that the intake is removed, clean all the gasket surfaces......
then set the intake in place WITHOUT GASKETS.
Is any part of the intake or engine surface preventing the intake from sitting properly in place?
Do the intake gaskets look/measure to be thick enough to seal the gaps between the intake and the engine?
Can you post pics of the front/ rear/ left-side/ right-side/ gaps between the intake and the engine block with NO gaskets installed?
Check the compression of each cylinder and post the results?
I will ask him for a leakdown test.
Definitely blue oil smoke. If the cylinder heads were not decked, I would guess the engine is ingesting oil via the intake ports via the oil galley under the intake OR via leaking valve seals/guides.
Be sure the gaskets are right for your heads/intake. Most take equivalent of Fel-Pro 1204; maybe 1205. My heads call for 1204 and intake calls for Edelbrock 7201 (equivalent to Fel-Pro 1205). When I mocked them up, the 1204's had more 'meat' where I felt they needed them around the outside of each intake port. The ports on my DART heads are just a bit smaller than the intake's. So, I went with the 1204's.
I cleaned all metal surfaces on engine/heads/intake and even went as far as to use a paper towel with paint thinner to remove any trace of oil/gunk once I scraped all surfaces. Then, I used the high-tack gasket glue on all of the surfaces and on both sides of the gaskets to make sure I got the added sealing benefit. Torqued the intake to 30ft lbs. I have some minimal blue smoke now but am watching consumption and it appears to consume much less since I swapped the 2101 in for the 3701 (both Edelbrock Performers) intake.
What is the condition of the valve guides? If you find it is not the intake, I wonder if you have guide wear.
What type of seals did you install on the valves? If running single valve springs with damper, consider umbrella seals if running the basic scraper seal. My PC seals required (new) guides to be machined. I also run dual springs with damper on my retro roller so the umbrella seals were not an option.
Definitely blue oil smoke. If the cylinder heads were not decked, I would guess the engine is ingesting oil via the intake ports via the oil galley under the intake OR via leaking valve seals/guides.
Be sure the gaskets are right for your heads/intake. Most take equivalent of Fel-Pro 1204; maybe 1205. My heads call for 1204 and intake calls for Edelbrock 7201 (equivalent to Fel-Pro 1205). When I mocked them up, the 1204's had more 'meat' where I felt they needed them around the outside of each intake port. The ports on my DART heads are just a bit smaller than the intake's. So, I went with the 1204's.
I cleaned all metal surfaces on engine/heads/intake and even went as far as to use a paper towel with paint thinner to remove any trace of oil/gunk once I scraped all surfaces. Then, I used the high-tack gasket glue on all of the surfaces and on both sides of the gaskets to make sure I got the added sealing benefit. Torqued the intake to 30ft lbs. I have some minimal blue smoke now but am watching consumption and it appears to consume much less since I swapped the 2101 in for the 3701 (both Edelbrock Performers) intake.
What is the condition of the valve guides? If you find it is not the intake, I wonder if you have guide wear.
What type of seals did you install on the valves? If running single valve springs with damper, consider umbrella seals if running the basic scraper seal. My PC seals required (new) guides to be machined. I also run dual springs with damper on my retro roller so the umbrella seals were not an option.
So when you say it is blue smoke, and not black, then it can only be the top right?
I know that Peter did spend a lot of time cleaning all surfaces. He installed new O-rings and umbrella seals (again Fel-Pro)
I don't know the status of the valve guides.
I'm starting to believe that it is warped rails, he will get a new (used) Edelbrock Torker II tomorrow, that we know came from a working engine !
Check the intake gasket thickness, as suggested, and reinstall using the RTV sealant as above.
Another possible source is the PCV system. Are the valve covers baffled, is the PCV valve getting enough vacuum to close the valve? Some people have had to install catch cans to eliminate the PCV system from sucking up all of the oil in the engine!
The silicone is for engines, water pumps ec ec. See picture.
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For some reason that intake doesnt seal at all. I learned the hard way to use a small bead of RTV around the coolant passages (square holes) - on both sides of gasket. Then at least a 1/4" bead (larger wont hurt but will ooze out) along the block ends china walls (instead of the flimsy end gasket seals) - oh and wait 10 min for the larger beads to "skin". Follow your torque sequence and specs for the intake.
All u can do is try again. But please post your results,
cardo0
Last edited by cardo0; Aug 9, 2014 at 07:50 AM. Reason: add the skin time
For some reason that intake doesnt seal at all. I learned the hard way to use a small bead of RTV around the coolant passages (square holes) - on both sides of gasket. Then at least a 1/4" bead (larger wont hurt but will ooze out) along the block ends china walls (instead of the flimsy end gasket seals) - oh and wait 10 min for the larger beads to "skin". Follow your torque sequence and specs for the intake.
All u can do is try again. But please post your results,
cardo0
I will go to Peter tomorrow (the silicone must dry for 24 hours), he is waiting 10 min. after placing the silicon on the engine block, to make a skin.
We think, that "somebody" before Peter got the intake, grinded in the intake, but why, we don't know. I will post again tomorrow.
New (used) intake was installed, and silicone was used rear and front.
We started the engine up yesterday evening, and this time it looks "good" compared to last start up.
After idle to get the engine up in temperature, Peter re-torqued to intake bolts again, that also gave a bit.
So now I would say, with the "old" engine, it is "ok" (it is a 1971 std. bores engine)
Thanks for your help all !!
The reason is that you have to do this if you have machined your heads. Otherwise the intake would not fit right into the "V".
The sad thing is that this intake can not be used on another new engine. Disadvantage of a V-engine.
The reason is that you have to do this if you have machined your heads. Otherwise the intake would not fit right into the "V".
The sad thing is that this intake can not be used on another new engine. Disadvantage of a V-engine.
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