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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 04:18 PM
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Thinking about ordering this kit for my 73 from Mudflaps, Great Price, Has anyone ordered from them (Mudflaps) and have any issues.
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I have ordered from them, as have others on this site, and it appears everyone is satisfied with their price and delivery times.
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Ordered mine on 10/13 from Mudflaps and received it yesterday. Quick, free shipping and the best price i could find on the net.
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I pulled the trigger and ordered the unit from Mudflaps. Put the order in on a Monday and received it on Friday, Total cost $602. It took me about 8-hours, i like to check and double check so it took me a little longer than others. I have not got the caster changed to a positive 3or4 degree yet but it sure has made a difference already. To anyone out there that has made this swap what has the caster change done? or what will it do?

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I pulled the trigger and ordered the unit from Mudflaps. Put the order in on a Monday and received it on Friday, Total cost $602. It took me about 8-hours, i like to check and double check so it took me a little longer than others. I have not got the caster changed to a positive 3or4 degree yet but it sure has made a difference already. To anyone out there that has made this swap what has the caster change done? or what will it do?
The caster is what keeps the car going straight down the road without constant correction. Just like the casters on a shopping cart do. It also helps the wheel to straighten out after going around a corner. Don't be surprised if you can't get the 3-4 degs suggested, not all do.
I could only get 2.5 max on my car which still seems OK.
Been driving mine all summer and love it. Well worth the time and expense.
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Does the positive castor help to eliminate "tramlining" then??
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Does the positive castor help to eliminate "tramlining" then??
I'm no expert, but yes, its one of the things that impacts it.
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Originally Posted by Roadster71
The caster is what keeps the car going straight down the road without constant correction. Just like the casters on a shopping cart do. It also helps the wheel to straighten out after going around a corner. Don't be surprised if you can't get the 3-4 degs suggested, not all do.
I could only get 2.5 max on my car which still seems OK.
Been driving mine all summer and love it. Well worth the time and expense.
Thanks Roadster 71, Good explanation!
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Originally Posted by Roadster71
I'm no expert, but yes, its one of the things that impacts it.
OK then, I need to get an updated alignment to hopefully eliminate tramlining I've been dealing with. Other than that, I love the Borgeson steering.
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OK then, I need to get an updated alignment to hopefully eliminate tramlining I've been dealing with. Other than that, I love the Borgeson steering.
Make sure everything else is good, ball joints, tie rod ends etc to get the most benefit from the borgeson box. Its a piece of a whole system.
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No problem there. My rides whole front end has been rebuilt and is in great shape.
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Originally Posted by Kim72
No problem there. My rides whole front end has been rebuilt and is in great shape.
Have the rear checked an done too. If things are moving around back there all sorts of strange things happen.
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Originally Posted by Kim72
Does the positive castor help to eliminate "tramlining" then??
If by "tramlining" you mean following the deep groves in pavement caused by heavy truck traffic, increased castor might reduce it, but won't cure it. Tramlining is the result of wide tires following the pavement. My ZO6 does it. It's aligned to C6 specs. Narrow tires are the only real cure, and who wants those on a performance car?

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Ya, I know I'll never eliminate it altogether but I want to minimize it as much as possible. I'm not giving up my 255 - 60's on the front!!
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Originally Posted by Kim72
Ya, I know I'll never eliminate it altogether but I want to minimize it as much as possible. I'm not giving up my 255 - 60's on the front!!
After this upgrade, i now have a issue with my directionals not turn off all the time, did i miss something here?
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Originally Posted by jrdestar
After this upgrade, i now have a issue with my directionals not turn off all the time, did i miss something here?
Your steering shaft probably isn't centered when the road wheels are pointed straight ahead. If you pull the horn button off you can see the end of the shaft. It'll have a mark, like from a chisel, which should be at the 12:00 o'clock position.
There's a flat on the input shaft of the steering box that also needs to be at 12:00 o'clock. You can move that mark by adjusting the tie rods.

Try a search, there's lots of info on this subject here on the forum. Or try google, that is sometimes easier and often brings you right back to the forum.


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Originally Posted by jrdestar
I pulled the trigger and ordered the unit from Mudflaps. Put the order in on a Monday and received it on Friday, Total cost $602. It took me about 8-hours, i like to check and double check so it took me a little longer than others. I have not got the caster changed to a positive 3or4 degree yet but it sure has made a difference already. To anyone out there that has made this swap what has the caster change done? or what will it do?
Does the Borgeson kit require a different caster than original factor settings?
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Does the Borgeson kit require a different caster than original factor settings?
It doesn't require more caster, but it ALLOWS as much caster as you want or your frame/suspension will let you set. Caster is good for straight line tracking and returning the wheels straight after a turn.

Essentially the Borgeson does exactly the same as your original steering box, but with power assist built in, a faster ratio, and the tight tolerances of a new box.


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Originally Posted by PeteZO6
It doesn't require more caster, but it ALLOWS as much caster as you want or your frame/suspension will let you set. Caster is good for straight line tracking and returning the wheels straight after a turn.

Essentially the Borgeson does exactly the same as your original steering box, but with power assist built in, a faster ratio, and the tight tolerances of a new box.


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So, you are saying that if you have a good positive caster the main requirement would be the toe-in adjustment. Installing a Borgeson conversion shouldn't change your caster. Is that right?
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