C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Control arms this easy????

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-04-2015, 09:20 AM
  #1  
jgcable
Racer
Thread Starter
 
jgcable's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2015
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 480
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default Control arms this easy????

Could removing the control arms on my 77 be this easy? Jack up the car by the lower control arms. Put jackstands under the frame on each side. Lower the jacks until the control arms are free hanging. Loosen the lower ball joint nut a few turns. Break out the pickle fork and separate the ball joints from the lower control arms until the space between the ball joint nut and the control arm is gone. Jack up the control arms again and remove the lower bolt completely. Slowly lower the jack until the tension is off of the coil spring and the lower control arm is hanging from the shock. Remove lower and then remove uppers. Do I need to remove the shocks before I do the lower or can I leave them connected as a safety factor? I have never done upper and lower control arms before.
Old 08-04-2015, 09:40 AM
  #2  
wombvette
Le Mans Master
 
wombvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: New Hill NC
Posts: 8,918
Likes: 0
Received 24 Likes on 23 Posts

Default

Remove the stabilizer link and the shock first. Problem begins with reassembly. You will need a spring compressor.
Old 08-04-2015, 09:54 AM
  #3  
Easy Mike
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Easy Mike's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2000
Location: Southbound
Posts: 38,928
Likes: 0
Received 1,469 Likes on 1,248 Posts
Cruise-In II Veteran

Default

Originally Posted by wombvette
...You will need a spring compressor...

My advice is not to attempt the chore without a spring compressor.
Old 08-04-2015, 10:10 AM
  #4  
jb78L-82
Le Mans Master
 
jb78L-82's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 7,114
Received 740 Likes on 617 Posts

Default

It actually is that easy especially with aftermarket springs that are 1 inch shorter than stock like I have BUT I would use a spring compressor, chain, or very strong nylon cord wrapped around the coil to something stationery on the car like the frame just in case the spring comes out under pressure. I did this procedure when I installed the aftermarket springs with a chain...Lowered the control arm, installed the spring, used a jack under the lower control arm to exert pressure, and reattached the lower ball joint...easy with the chain wrapped around the spring during the process...just need to get the car high enough to allow the control arm to pivot enough to install the spring..no issues, but be cautious.

Last edited by jb78L-82; 08-04-2015 at 10:14 AM.
Old 08-04-2015, 10:13 AM
  #5  
r77vette
Heel & Toe
 
r77vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: Clarksville Tennessee
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Spring compressor

A Spring Compressor will be needed to reassemble. I just replaced the a-arm bushing a couple of months ago on my 77 Vette. As mentioned before, the stabilizer links and shocks will need to be removed first before you remove the upper and lower a-arms. Hope this helps.
Old 08-04-2015, 10:26 AM
  #6  
Alan 71
Team Owner
 
Alan 71's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Westminster Maryland
Posts: 30,173
Likes: 0
Received 2,878 Likes on 2,515 Posts

Default

Hi,
Your system will work.
BUT, if the jack happens to move or slip enough for the spring to come out of it's pocket while it's still mostly compressed the fender, your head, and the garage roof won't stop it.
All the methods people offer here are really just insurance.
Regards,
Alan

Even with a spring compressor I still secure the spring to the frame before beginning to take it off or put it back on.
In my mind the worse case is if the spring actually shoots DOWN and then comes back up off the floor at you.
Old 08-04-2015, 11:42 AM
  #7  
ddawson
Le Mans Master
 
ddawson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: Lincoln, CA
Posts: 5,650
Received 598 Likes on 485 Posts

Default

I had a spring jump out and it is a huge amount of force.

I always use a chain now and wrap it around the lower control arm and lock it.
Old 08-04-2015, 12:50 PM
  #8  
Aggitated Monkey
Drifting
 
Aggitated Monkey's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Wichita Kansas
Posts: 1,572
Received 50 Likes on 24 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Easy Mike

My advice is not to attempt the chore without a spring compressor.

Double agree! I would not remove them with out the spring conpressor. C3 springs are long and highly conpressed.
Old 08-04-2015, 02:43 PM
  #9  
jgcable
Racer
Thread Starter
 
jgcable's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2015
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 480
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

I will be using a spring compressor for sure! I am pretty sure I can rent one at AutoZone and if not... I will buy one from Harbor Freight. Thanks for the heads up.
Old 08-06-2015, 01:06 AM
  #10  
my 76 ray
Melting Slicks
 
my 76 ray's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Hinckley OH
Posts: 2,520
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

I would do one thing differently. I would remove the ball joint stud nuts completely then put them back on. This will prevent them from seizing as you try to remove them after you free the stud from the spindle. If they seize the stud will just spin and you'll have to get a nut cracker to get the nut off.
Old 08-07-2015, 02:33 PM
  #11  
Rally68
Burning Brakes
 
Rally68's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2008
Location: Naperville Illinois
Posts: 805
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jgcable
I will be using a spring compressor for sure! I am pretty sure I can rent one at AutoZone and if not... I will buy one from Harbor Freight. Thanks for the heads up.
Just my 2c but I would reconsider buying the spring compressor from Harbor Freight. I went that route when I did my front end a few years back and they ended up in the garbage. I'm not a HF basher--I have tons of stuff from there--but those things didn't work for the C3 install and they bent more than enough to scare me.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I don't believe you need a spring compressor to install the coils on a small block. Seat the spring in the upper pocket and use a bar clamp to hold the spring in the lower pocket while you raise the lower arm with a trolley jack:





Like I said, it's just my 2c; I have done a grand total of 2 sets of Corvette springs this way...Should I have had a chain or ratchet strap on there too, in case the clamp broke? YES!

Good luck with them

Chris
Old 08-07-2015, 03:04 PM
  #12  
Shark Racer
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Shark Racer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: San Jose CA
Posts: 12,399
Received 241 Likes on 200 Posts

Default

The base model springs (300lb) are very, very tall and will not install without the spring compressor. Gymkhana springs are much thicker wire but overall shorter and will install with it, at least in my experience.

HOWEVER - like others have said, springs are SERIOUS business and can hurt you pretty bad. A friend of mine put a 1" deep gouge in his concrete driveway from a spring busting loose. If you have any doubt whatsoever - rent the internal compressor and/or use a chain.
Old 08-07-2015, 07:01 PM
  #13  
Haggisbash
Melting Slicks
 
Haggisbash's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Location: Dunedin NZ.
Posts: 2,038
Received 230 Likes on 198 Posts

Default

I didn't use a spring compressor, I substituted the shock for a long piece of threaded rod with beefy washers and nuts top and bottom, there is no way the spring can escape with this in place. The stock springs are very long, I replaced them with aftermarket ones, as mentioned above they are shorter and easier to fit.
Old 08-07-2015, 08:01 PM
  #14  
waljr
Racer
 
waljr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2008
Location: Gippsland, VIC Australia
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-is-stuck.html
Old 08-10-2015, 04:06 PM
  #15  
jgcable
Racer
Thread Starter
 
jgcable's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2015
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 480
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

So I got one side off so far. It was simple. I went to Home Depot and bought a 2' length of 5/8" threaded rod and some large washers and nuts. In order.. I removed the wheel, the caliper, the rotor, the sway bar end link, the tie rod end and the shock. I replaced the shock with the threaded rod. I then loosened the upper and lower ball joint nuts and I separated the upper ball joint. I then loosened the nuts on the threaded rod and the lower control arm went down nice and slow until it was no longer under much tension. I then removed the threaded rod and with just few kicks the coil is out. I then reinstalled the threaded rod to hold the spindle up and I removed separated the lower ball joint and removed everything. I used a pickle fork to do all the separating. Really easy.
Old 08-10-2015, 07:03 PM
  #16  
DUB
Race Director
 
DUB's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 19,294
Received 2,713 Likes on 2,321 Posts

Default

I hope you understand the amount of pressure that when you are going back in with this 'threaded rod' method is going to be under. Releasing the tensions is one thing....compressing ti is entirely another issue all together.

Keep this in mind....the amount of threads in your nut....meaning the total surface area of the threaded nut. The more threads you have...the more surface area,,,and that also depends on the grade of the fine threaded bolt you got.

This is what I have and use. Snap-on coil spring compressor wa92. ll I use is the threaded rod and washers and the part with the two hooks.

Just be careful going back in with it. If it slips when under tension and comes out....it can turn REALLY BAD....REALLY FAST!

DUB
Old 08-11-2015, 12:47 PM
  #17  
C3Hawk
Racer
 
C3Hawk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2014
Posts: 334
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

I am glad things worked out for you, but I totally agree with DUB on this.
Sometimes you need to spend money to get quality tools, and I believe a spring compressor is one of those times.

Get notified of new replies

To Control arms this easy????




Quick Reply: Control arms this easy????



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:19 AM.