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Old 09-01-2016, 09:49 AM
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This seasons I went ahead and accomplished a few items
1) Solid mounted the x member which raised the diff ~ 3/4"
2) Installed VBP dual mount spring
3) Installed smart struts
4) Installed QA1 single adjustable shocks

What I found is the ride to be somewhat rough/bouncy no matter what setting I had the shocks on. An email over to QA1 indicated that anything less than 12.5" center to center starts to get into high damping rates which reduces the difference between settings and makes for a rough ride.

I measured mine at 11"...10.5" is end of travel! GM was not doing us any favors in how they mounted the shocks. I saw one solution where the individual pocketed the frame and moved the shock mount up an inch.

I went the other way and remanufactured the lower shock mount. This modification is reversible and more easily made by your average DIYer. Here is what you need:

Tools:
1) welder
2) Drill/bits
3) Jig saw
4) Grinder

Materials
1) 1/4" steel plate
2) 5/8 fine thread grade 8 bolts
3) Whatever size bolts needed for your shocks. QA1 was also 5/8"

Don't forget to put a flat on one side of the bolt so it slips through the knuckle. Though you cannot see it, there is another ear on the outer side of the shock for the thru bolt. I also trimmed the bump stops about 1" to compensate for moving the x member higher.




With the increased shock travel the ride is greatly improved. I have the spring on the 3rd hole and the shocks set at 7. I believe 3-7 will give a good ride on most roads.

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nice work, but would it scrape with a flat?
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No more than the spring bolts. Plus I'll be switching to 18s soon
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Smart solution! How's the ride height now?
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Originally Posted by worship79
Smart solution! How's the ride height now?
I'll have to measure the ground to fender distance. In General I was shooting for 2 finger gap all the way around. I have room to move lower now but with SE MI roads, it's about where it has to be.

With the steel spring that was in it the car looked like a 4x4
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Never have anything lower than the rim, ever! That's an extremely dangerous thing. I've seen what will happen if you have a flat tire and it isn't pretty. You would not be able to control the car. Seriously re think it.
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If you don't believe me email a picture of that to VBP and QA1 and ask for their thoughts.
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Originally Posted by 7t9l82
Never have anything lower than the rim, ever! That's an extremely dangerous thing. I've seen what will happen if you have a flat tire and it isn't pretty. You would not be able to control the car. Seriously re think it.
I was just at a show and one of the guys had a real bad 80 with flares, monster 315 meats in the back and we got to discussing ride height. He felt he was still higher in back than he wanted. I looked underneath and he had 10 inch bolts that were way below rim level. I told him if he ever gets a flat to watch he doesn't dig that bolt in the ground and rip the rear right out of it!
He was shocked and never heard of such a thing. I told him when he goes in gear the rear will drop, and during hard acceleration too.
I'm curious because I have the VBP 340lb mono rear and coilover front suspension and my ride is very compliant and not bouncy.
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In the event of a bolt it would probably bend or shear off ,but something with some structural substance would be a different matter.
I knew a guy years ago with a falcon sprint with traction bars that hung below the rim,everybody warned him about it. Driving like a nut in an area being repaired with the sewer covers raised he hit one shot his car off the road onto a sidewalk across the median. Killed a 7 or 8 year old kid on his bicycle. If there was an upside to it that clown lost his drivers licence forever.after doing some jail time.

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Yes you don't want to be below the "scrub line". I'd like to see pics of the raised top mount.
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I'm pretty sure the angle of the pic makes it look worse than it is, and that with 17"+ wheels which he says he is fitting that it will be fine. Nice job, thanks for sharing!
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Originally Posted by midigike
I was just at a show and one of the guys had a real bad 80 with flares, monster 315 meats in the back and we got to discussing ride height. He felt he was still higher in back than he wanted. I looked underneath and he had 10 inch bolts that were way below rim level. I told him if he ever gets a flat to watch he doesn't dig that bolt in the ground and rip the rear right out of it!
He was shocked and never heard of such a thing. I told him when he goes in gear the rear will drop, and during hard acceleration too.
I'm curious because I have the VBP 340lb mono rear and coilover front suspension and my ride is very compliant and not bouncy.
My 18" wheels and 8" bolt. A 10" would be below the rim unless the spring type/spring rate is different. Mine is a 7 leaf.



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