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Old 12-02-2016, 07:16 PM
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Default Big block vs small block half shafts

My small block Vette has 2 1/2 inch half shafts. Will 3 inch easily replace these? I know it is probably overkill but for the price, the 3 inchers I am looking at are pretty attractive.... Thanks.
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yes, direct bolt in
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Actually big and small blocks used the same half shafts. The early sharks used the 2.5 inch shafts and the later(i can't remember the year) used 3 inch shafts. I've heard that the 2.5 shafts are actually stronger.
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Hi,
I believe I remember reading that the original larger diameter half-shaft tubes are made with thinner material than the original smaller diameter half-shafts.
Is that so?
Don't know if or how this might affect their strength.
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Fort Wayne Clutch has heavy duty half shafts for C3's.
Have a pair on my 70.
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Originally Posted by FKING1
Fort Wayne Clutch has heavy duty half shafts for C3's.
Have a pair on my 70.
I have them on my 77. They come with Spicer solid u joints
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I have them on my 70 as well.
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I have them on my 70 as well.
Ordered a pair today from Fort Wayne Clutch today.
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi,
I believe I remember reading that the original larger diameter half-shaft tubes are made with thinner material than the original smaller diameter half-shafts.
Is that so?
Don't know if or how this might affect their strength.
Regards,
Alan
Someone a while back posted what he was told was the wall thickness of the two different diameter shafts (the 3" units supposedly had thinner walls). There wasn't actual factory info to verify the claimed numbers, but for amusement I did a quick couple of calculations and the 3" tubes were theoretically stronger (due to the bigger diameter), but also lighter (due to the thinner wall material).

I would be interested in actual factory numbers if they were available, just to confirm those calculations. (Just simple logic tells me it would have been foolish for Chevrolet to go to all the trouble of making a new design/size part if it was weaker than the original part.)

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Originally Posted by 69427
(Just simple logic tells me it would have been foolish for Chevrolet to go to all the trouble of making a new design/size part if it was weaker than the original part.)

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If it's cheaper, simple logic goes out the window!
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Originally Posted by Richard Daugird
If it's cheaper, simple logic goes out the window!
Perhaps. Does anyone know if it's cheaper for Chevy to make/source 3" halfshafts versus 2.5" halfshafts? I know it's frequently less expensive overall for GM to stock/warehouse a single part number for multiple models versus multiple part numbers for those same vehicles.
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3.5" Aluminum half shafts?

dennysdriveshaft.com/c3_rear_axle_half_shaft_3.5_inch_6061

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Default Ft Wayne Clutch half shaft specs from Ft Wayne Clutch direct

Here is the response direct from Ft Wayne Clutch about the 3" half shafts I bought a couple years ago.
I have increased my HP plans (600+) so I am going with Tom's Differentials half shafts where the wall thickness is .134".
As recommended by Gary Ramadei to match the 1350 rear axle setup and Super 10 rear he is building for me.
I'll be running sticky tires at times. And a stick shift.
There is considerable price difference between these 2. Tom's runs $475.

I'll be happy to sell my Ft Wayne half shafts that have been sitting on the shelf since I got them. They have the solid spicer u-joints in them.

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Just curious but do you need to change the diff stub shafts as well to fit the Fort Wayne Clutch half shafts as they seem to have a flat flange for the half shafts to bolt up to?
Nice looking shafts but I don't think I'll ever be able to justify them.
Graham
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Originally Posted by Grahamred70
Just curious but do you need to change the diff stub shafts as well to fit the Fort Wayne Clutch half shafts as they seem to have a flat flange for the half shafts to bolt up to?
Nice looking shafts but I don't think I'll ever be able to justify them.
Graham
The Ft Wayne half shafts are duplicate of the stock ones. Ujoint connects to the inner axle yoke and the flange connects to the outer flange.
No change in length.

The Tom's Differentials are different as they have the flanges at each end that match up to the flange of the inner and outer axles.

Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by LT1M21Vette
The price looked damn good until I noticed that it was for each, not per pair. I paid a touch over $400 several years ago for the pair of 3 1/2" shafts on my '69.

I didn't see anything where it mentioned the wall thickness, though.
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Originally Posted by Grahamred70
Just curious but do you need to change the diff stub shafts as well to fit the Fort Wayne Clutch half shafts as they seem to have a flat flange for the half shafts to bolt up to?
Nice looking shafts but I don't think I'll ever be able to justify them.
Graham
As my basket case had mismatched half shafts with baaad surface pitting, and I would need new u-joints as well, the price I paid several years ago was competitive to finding a matched pair and rebuilding. Adding in that these were new and I was sold. I'm not afraid to rebuild anything, but these where a nice time savings.

They were a direct bolt in, joint at diff, flange at wheel. Really nice parts, and good people to deal with.

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Originally Posted by bmans vette
The Ft Wayne half shafts are duplicate of the stock ones. Ujoint connects to the inner axle yoke and the flange connects to the outer flange.
No change in length.

The Tom's Differentials are different as they have the flanges at each end that match up to the flange of the inner and outer axles.

Hope that helps.
Looking at those in the photos seem to bolt up to a flange at the diff end, mines a sbc so my shafts have the u bolt fixings but even with the straps of the bb I couldn't see how a flange would fit?
Graham
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My car has 30 spline axles that require a flange on both sides. I had to add the flange on the differential side. If you removed the flange it would bolt right up to stock U bolt axle.
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Originally Posted by Grahamred70
Looking at those in the photos seem to bolt up to a flange at the diff end, mines a sbc so my shafts have the u bolt fixings but even with the straps of the bb I couldn't see how a flange would fit?
Graham
Look at the outer end of your half shafts....they should have a flange that bolts to the yoke coming out of the wheel bearing support on the trailing arm. The u-joint end bolts to the yoke coming out of the differential.
Like I said.....they are duplicate to stock half shafts, just newer and have the solid spicer u-joints which are stronger than the ones with the zerk fitting.

Look at an AIM or one of the vendor catalogs to see what I am talking about.

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