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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 09:03 AM
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Why would you need to "crutch" the initial? It's static, set it anywhere you want.
Initial is directly tied to mech'l. To maintain a 36* all in, if you increase initial, you must decrease mech'l and of course vice versa.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 09:18 AM
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Initial is directly tied to mech'l. To maintain a 36* all in, if you increase initial, you must decrease mech'l and of course vice versa.
thats not the way I read what he posted. He's talking about crutching initial with vacuum for more spark lead.
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I re-read his posts. I think he's saying that if you don't have a means to retard mech'l advance at idle when you increase initial to achieve a stable idle (with vacuum connected), then you are only left with increasing vacuum advance at idle to get a stable idle.
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Yes, the people that insist on using full vacuum to the dizzy are adding timing degrees at idle

It is easy to see. Setup an initial timing with vacuum advance blocked off. Then plug in the full vacuum port and watch the timing jump up
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I have a stock SB engine, distributor re-curved per Lars recommendations. At normal idle speed, that gives me about 12-13* advance with the vacuum can blocked off. Add in the vacuum can and it idles very smoothly and performance is considerably enhanced from GM's 'recommended' base timing method.
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Originally Posted by resdoggie
I re-read his posts. I think he's saying that if you don't have a means to retard mech'l advance at idle when you increase initial to achieve a stable idle (with vacuum connected), then you are only left with increasing vacuum advance at idle to get a stable idle.
Thanks, but I'm not getting it.
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Originally Posted by gkull
Yes, the people that insist on using full vacuum to the dizzy are adding timing degrees at idle

It is easy to see. Setup an initial timing with vacuum advance blocked off. Then plug in the full vacuum port and watch the timing jump up
100%. That's why I insist on running manifold vacuum.
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