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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 02:05 PM
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I have 1977 L48. I was just wondering if there is a way to tell if speedometer to tachometer will tell you the rear end ratio. At 70 mph. I'm exactly at 3000 thousand rpms?
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Oh. By the way it's a automatic.
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The stats I found say that it's a 3:08.
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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 02:15 PM
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what is your rear tire size? If you are running about a 235 70 R 15 you have about a 3:42 ratio.
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If you are a 235 60 R 15 I would say you were a 3.08. My calculations show that a 3.08 would be about 72 MPH with 6% slip.
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Then standard ratio for an L-48 auto from the factory was 3.08 and optional 3.55....
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There P225/ 70 -15s
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Hi jh,
The differential case was stamped with a code for the ratio with which the differential was originally assembled.
It's stamped along with some date and source information on the bottom of the housing rear flange.
Might take a peek?
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I believe these are for 77 cars:
OA 3.08:1
OD 3.36:1
LR 3.36:1
OB 3.55:1
OC 3.70:1

An example from a 71.

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Based on the info from Alan 71 and your tire size. My calculator shows your car with a 3.36 ratio. This is based on 4% slip (120 rpm loss) which is very close to what a stock converter should be in a TH400. The speed I show is 69.9 MPH @ 3000 RPM.
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Thanks guys. I guess when I have it up in the air, I'll check it out!
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Don't assume that the factory tach is correct with its readings. My 78 OEM tach reads 300-400 RPM higher than the actual RPM's...check out the thread about tach accuracy. 78 L-48 autos came only with 3.08 and 3.55 gears. Check out the specifics for 77's at :

GM heritage center.com

My guess is that 77 L-48 autos used the exact same gears.....

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The code numbers only show what it came with from the factory. Who knows what's in there now after 40 yrs. Do the count tire / driveshaft "thing".

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My 73, TH-400 with 245-60-15 tires, with 3.36 gears runs at 2964 RPM @ 70 MPH.
If you want a more accurate way to check the rear end ratio that takes the tach error and tire size out of the equation, lift "BOTH" rear tires off the ground, mark the inside of the outer rim lip with a marking pin, and mark a single line on the bottom of the drive shaft, rotate the wheel one full revolution of "forward movement" and count the number of turns the driveshaft rotates. 3.36 turns and you have a 3.36 gear ratio, 3.55 turns and the rear ratio is 3.55, 3.08 turns 3.08 ratio, 3.7 turns 3.70 ratio, and so on.
It's the most accurate way without pulling the diff cover and inspecting the ring and pinion gears.

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Originally Posted by OldCarBum
My 73, TH-400 with 245-60-15 tires, with 3.36 gears runs at 2974 RPM @ 70 MPH.
If you want a more accurate way to check the rear end ratio that takes the tach error and tire size out of the equation, lift "BOTH" rear tires off the ground, mark the inside of the outer rim lip with a marking pin, and mark a single line on the bottom of the drive shaft, rotate the wheel one full revolution of "forward movement" and count the number of turns the driveshaft rotates. 3.36 turns and you have a 3.36 gear ratio, 3.55 turns and the rear ratio is 3.55, 3.08 turns 3.08 ratio, 3.7 turns 3.70 ratio, and so on.
It's the most accurate way without pulling the diff cover and inspecting the ring and pinion gears.


I think the only way to really accurately determine the rear end gears is this method ^^^^^ unless you have owned the car since it was new....
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Originally Posted by OldCarBum
My 73, TH-400 with 245-60-15 tires, with 3.36 gears runs at 2974 RPM @ 70 MPH.
If you want a more accurate way to check the rear end ratio that takes the tach error and tire size out of the equation, lift "BOTH" rear tires off the ground, mark the inside of the outer rim lip with a marking pin, and mark a single line on the bottom of the drive shaft, rotate the wheel one full revolution of "forward movement" and count the number of turns the driveshaft rotates. 3.36 turns and you have a 3.36 gear ratio, 3.55 turns and the rear ratio is 3.55, 3.08 turns 3.08 ratio, 3.7 turns 3.70 ratio, and so on.
It's the most accurate way without pulling the diff cover and inspecting the ring and pinion gears.
The problem is when you are laying on your back, turning the tire and trying to count the driveshaft rotations, its pretty much impossible to determine the distance of for example, 3.36 and compare to 3.55 on the shaft itself. What circumference does that come out to? A fraction of an inch. Some axles have enough play in them to fool you on the counting incorrectly. Even when marking the driveshaft with a piece of masking tape and a felt pen it can be difficult to measure accurately but will give you a rough idea.

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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
The problem is when you are laying on your back, turning the tire and trying to count the driveshaft rotations, its pretty much impossible to determine the distance of for example, 3.36 and compare to 3.55 on the shaft itself. What circumference does that come out to? A fraction of an inch. Some axles have enough play in them to fool you on the counting incorrectly. Even when marking the driveshaft with a piece of masking tape and a felt pen it can be difficult to measure accurately but will give you a rough idea.
I calculate that the 3.55 would turn approx 1.5" further than a 3.36, assuming a 2.5" drive shaft diameter (ballpark, I don't know for sure that it's 2.5"). It should be pretty obvious if you've gone 3 + ~.3 turns vs. 3 + ~.5 turns.
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Originally Posted by 69autoXr
I calculate that the 3.55 would turn approx 1.5" further than a 3.36, assuming a 2.5" drive shaft diameter (ballpark, I don't know for sure that it's 2.5"). It should be pretty obvious if you've gone 3 + ~.3 turns vs. 3 + ~.5 turns.
Could be. I slept through algebra class. Inch and a half seems like a lot though. I was thinking more on the lines of 1/2" difference?
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
Could be. I slept through algebra class. Inch and a half seems like a lot though. I was thinking more on the lines of 1/2" difference?
It is close but pretty obvious. I usually check it two to three times just to make sure I'm right.
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I plugged your tire size into a gear ratio calculator that I made in excel, but it doesn't factor in converter slippage or tire wear.

With a 225/70-R15, it says that 3000 rpm with 3.36 would put you at 73 mph and 3.55 gears would have you at 69 mph.

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I don't think I can upload an excel file, so if anyone wants a copy of the calculator, just send me a PM.
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Originally Posted by CA_WxMan
I plugged your tire size into a gear ratio calculator that I made in excel, but it doesn't factor in converter slippage or tire wear.

With a 225/70-R15, it says that 3000 rpm with 3.36 would put you at 73 mph and 3.55 gears would have you at 69 mph.

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I don't think I can upload an excel file, so if anyone wants a copy of the calculator, just send me a PM.
Way better looking than mine but we are both right in the same spot.

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