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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 07:34 AM
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Hi All,

I was looking at the fan belt layout and it didn't seem to line up with what I am seeing in the AIM.

As per the picture I have two belts.

1) Water pump to power steering

2) water pump to crank to power steering to alternator

Is this current setup ok?

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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 07:59 AM
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I don't know if it's different but the 72 BB would have 3 belts
One at the rear from the crank to water pump
One from the crank to the water pump to the power steering
one from the power steering up to the alt

there was another groove at the front of the water pump for the AIR pump on the passenger side as well


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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 08:04 AM
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Proper belt configurations for your motor / accessory combinations will be in the AIM of course
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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mooser
I don't know if it's different but the 72 BB would have 3 belts
One at the rear from the crank to water pump
One from the crank to the water pump to the power steering
one from the power steering up to the alt

there was another groove at the front of the water pump for the AIR pump on the passenger side as well


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The set up you're describing is what is mentioned in the AIM.
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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 08:13 AM
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If you want to go that way, here's the belts I was using in that configuration

Crank WP Belt 15315, 11A0800 Dayco TopCog
P/S Belt 15435, 11A1105 Dayco TopCog
Alt Belt 15320, 11A0815 Dayco TopCog (was using a 15310 but too close to the valve cover)

The crank to water pump belt pretty much requires that you loose off the fan pulley bolts and tilt the pulley to get it on but it's not bad
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The most important thing is to start with the correct pulleys...


https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html



https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...nd-squeak.html

With AC and PS, it does call for an idler pulley. I believe I would add the idler pulley regardless.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ock-belts.html

Good luck... GUSTO
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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mooser
If you want to go that way, here's the belts I was using in that configuration

Crank WP Belt 15315, 11A0800 Dayco TopCog
P/S Belt 15435, 11A1105 Dayco TopCog
Alt Belt 15320, 11A0815 Dayco TopCog (was using a 15310 but too close to the valve cover)

The crank to water pump belt pretty much requires that you loose off the fan pulley bolts and tilt the pulley to get it on but it's not bad
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Thanks those part numbers make life easier.


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Originally Posted by NJey1985
Thanks those part numbers make life easier.

For the other two belts the power steering pulley is adjustable to initally remove the belts and then to adjust the tension afterward with the new belt?
Yes, PS first then the ALT, but there's not a lot of adjustment and the PS pump is a rear treat to loosen off to allow it to pivot.

First thing though is do you have the right pulley on the alternator? The correct one has a large blank spot between the fan part and the groove, like another groove should have been there. If someone changed the alt at some point and used a regular groove pulley then the alignment to the power steering pump will be off. Can't tell from you picture as it's behind the hose


That's a CS144 alt but it's using the stock pulley on the CS fan
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Originally Posted by Mooser
Yes, PS first then the ALT, but there's not a lot of adjustment and the PS pump is a rear treat to loosen off to allow it to pivot.

First thing though is do you have the right pulley on the alternator? The correct one has a large blank spot between the fan part and the groove, like another groove should have been there. If someone changed the alt at some point and used a regular groove pulley then the alignment to the power steering pump will be off. Can't tell from you picture as it's behind the hose


That's a CS144 alt but it's using the stock pulley on the CS fan
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Looks like I have the wrong pulley. Alternator to power steering belt will only line up with the power steering pulley groove that is toward the engine block not the 2nd groove toward the radiator side as per the pictures.

Looks like my current setup is to accomodate the aftermarket alternator with incorrect pulley on it.

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Kind of what I thought might have happened.
The correct pulley is available and you might even find one in the used parts section of the forum.
Getting the correct tension on your alt belt is pretty hard with your configuration as the movement is in the wrong direction. Also watch for the fanbelt clearance to your rad hose.

But if it's working, leave it alone until you get that pulley (or just leave it alone)

Adding the crank to water pump belt is still possible though.
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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mooser
Kind of what I thought might have happened.
The correct pulley is available and you might even find one in the used parts section of the forum.
Getting the correct tension on your alt belt is pretty hard with your configuration as the movement is in the wrong direction. Also watch for the fanbelt clearance to your rad hose.

But if it's working, leave it alone until you get that pulley (or just leave it alone)

Adding the crank to water pump belt is still possible though.
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Thanks for the help.

The clearance to the radiator hose is fine, the picture is a bit deceptive.

I am not going to touch it, although I suspect I might need to change the water pump soon so I will have to gather a parts list. Better to have everything and do it at once.

I live Australia and it doesn't appear the pulley is readily available so it will need to be purchased from the US.

This is the correct part?

https://www.ecklerscorvette.com/corvette-alternator-pulley-1963-1971.html

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looks like the right one,
  • 1966-71 427/454 & Power Steering
Again, maybe look in the parts section

Also, please add your location to your profile so we can see where you are, lots of other c3 guys over there so you're in good company
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 12:48 AM
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By the looks of things I am going to need a different radiator hose? I am not sure the correct alternator pulley will fit without rubbing on the hose.

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That's the correct hose and yes it's tight

You might have to turn it some or cut a bit off the end that goes to the rad to take some of the last bend out but it will work once you get everything in the right place

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ator-hose.html

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Originally Posted by Mooser
That's the correct hose and yes it's tight

You might have to turn it some or cut a bit off the end that goes to the rad to take some of the last bend out but it will work once you get everything in the right place

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ator-hose.html

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This is correct. That hose is too long, you need to take some of the bend out and it will give you clearance for the alternator pulley... Its still a little tight though.

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Here is the correct hose and length, and correct alternator pulley for reference


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that crank-to-w/p belt is fun,who thought that was a good routing?
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