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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by stingr69
Clean in there. No wear marks on the valve stem tips. This is a fresh top end. Time to remove an intake retainer and spring to inspect the top of the seals. Careful not to drop in the intake valve.
this is where you feed in a foot or two of clothesline and mush it between valves and piston. And after removing springs slowly turn crank until the valves move enough to check their max travel. And cam lobe lift still needs checked.

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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 06:33 PM
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Trying to get the retainers off the valves but I'm overcoming the 100psi I'm pressurizing the cylinder when I try to push down with the valve caps... The valve pops open an gas squirts out of the carb. I think the intake and exhaust valves are sealing good because I hear air and see gas come through the intake when it pops open and air when it pops the exhaust valve. The air shuts down when the valves pop closed
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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 07:10 PM
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Cover the area with some rags so nothing can fall into the engine. Take a deep socket the size of the top of the valve spring ( spark plug socket should work) and give it a hit with a rubber mallet. It should loosen up or pop off the retainers. Just be sure the socket is big enough to clear the retainers. Once you hit the valve, the retainers should release easier....

The retainers may fall down or pop off when the socket comes up after the hit. The rags will catch the retainers.

Or use the rope in the cylinder method.

I had to use 125# of air pressure, and hit each valve to loosen the retainers. Just my experience.

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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson
WAG
cam may be hyd flat tappet sealed power pn CS1015R


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an even closer WAG may be hyd flat tappet Melling pn 22296
I think this cam is very close th the lift I have.
Sealed Power CS1167R
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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 07:30 PM
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NOT MINE but there is a NOS GM set on ebay for $200
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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson
WAG
cam may be hyd flat tappet sealed power pn CS1015R


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an even closer WAG may be hyd flat tappet Melling pn 22296
Originally Posted by Z06CE
I think this cam is very close th the lift I have.
Sealed Power CS1167R
SP pn CS175R about same as the melling piece ... both are .500"/.505"
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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 08:44 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but these lift numbers aren't big or crazy...
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Old Mar 10, 2019 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06CE
Correct me if I'm wrong but these lift numbers aren't big or crazy...
Neither ... by many standards it's a class 2 or 3 upgrade.

Is your leakdown testing complete ?

Did you see the picture comparo of lifter retainer versus snap ring ?
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Stock boat and truck cams are around .480. 454 HO cam is 510 intake .540 exhaust. This is a modern GM grind that is similar to their performance cams from the era our cars came from. Good power and doesn't beat up a valvetrain. (GM's first priority has always been getting the engine to last the duration of the warranty.) The Crane 741 cam was .632 intake and exhaust. Required 150 lbs spring pressure closed and 450 lbs pressure valve fully open. Guys running stuff like this in performance boats had to pull the heads every 300 hours run time. If your engine was built with correctly matched components and clearanced correctly, you wouldn't have more bent pushrods than straight ones.

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Setting up a ZZ502 cam in a 454 I had to trim .050 off the top of the intake guides to provide enough valve travel. And that is with .527 intake lift. I got enough exhaust travel by leaving out the valve seals.
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Originally Posted by jackson
Neither ... by many standards it's a class 2 or 3 upgrade.

Is your leakdown testing complete ?

Did you see the picture comparo of lifter retainer versus snap ring ?
I'm borrowing a bore scope today and I will have a answer for the lifters.
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Old Mar 11, 2019 | 01:36 PM
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Focus one one Cylinder (I'd do number 1), install checker springs (Rope method, Air etc.), verify TDC and Timing mark, at TDC check Valve to Piston clearance (if it's less than 0.100" I'd be concerned, but it could still be the other things Spring bind etc.).

Check out the URL, it's got nice step by step process.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com...learances.399/
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Old Mar 11, 2019 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson
Neither ... by many standards it's a class 2 or 3 upgrade.

Is your leakdown testing complete ?

Did you see the picture comparo of lifter retainer versus snap ring ?
Here is the lifter picture.

Is it a solid lifter?
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Never mind.

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Got the springs off #1 cyl...

Exhaust has a shim then a rotator then spring

Intake has no rotator, has a shim then spring WTF Installed height Exhaust: 2.154 with no rotator or shim Intake: 1.916 no shim... Was no rotator
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Old Mar 11, 2019 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06CE
Here is the lifter picture.

Is it a solid lifter?
Clearly an internal Snap Ring

Nothing is absolute ... It's more likely than not that it is a solid lifter ... Nothing is absolute.

You can disassemble a lifter to confirm.

The main thing I was looking for is wire retainers ... because those are infamous for popping out when a Hydraulic motor has been overreved & lifters "pump up" & dump their guts and bends pushrods etc.

-edit- and on some Hydraulic lifters, it IS possible to delete their wire retainers and retrofit the stronger snap rings.

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Originally Posted by jackson
Clearly an internal Snap Ring

Nothing is absolute ... It's more likely than not that it is a solid lifter ... Nothing is absolute.

You can disassemble a lifter to confirm.

The main thing I was looking for is wire retainers ... because those are infamous for popping out when a Hydraulic motor has been overreved & lifters "pump up" & dump their guts and bends pushrods etc.
Intake needs to be taken off to get at the lifters.

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Suggest you look now to coil bind and/or retainer crash. Find a pair of straight PRs and inspect-measure.
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Default Retainer and Top of guide measurements

Intake retainer to top of guide : .863
Exhaust .813

Plenty of clearance
Lift intake is .501
Exhaust is .505

Umbrella seals look like crap

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can you see all 16 lifters thru the PR holes?
If they all have snap rings in place ... then there are no wire retainers.
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