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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 01:48 PM
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Hello All

Hope to get some advice.

I bought a 68 corvette this year and everyone has been great with advice.

Well it came with a dual point mallory without vaccum advance.

I was advised to upgrade.

I bought this unit as it was recommended on this board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/201457823824

It all came in and I installed it per this wiring diagram:




I followed directions even re-found TDC

Installed distributor with rotor pointing to #1

When I tried to start it did start and run.

Took my foot off gas and she died.

Cranked and cranked but nothing.

Things I have tried

1 Ran separate wire from IGN in fusebox to + terminal on coil
2 Added seperate relay taking source from horn relay and ignition switch as trigger.
3 Swapped battery
4 Voltmeter reads 12.8 at 1st key position but only 10.45 in start position test leads on coil + and engine ground.
5 Voltmeter also reads 12.8 1st key position and 10.45 in start position test leads on battery terminals
6 Ran addional wire from R starter terminal to coil +
7 Bought one of these , put it between spark plu and boot no light also put it between distributor cap and boot no light

So not getting spark, any ideas please?

Thanks

Mike

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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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seems the fleabay listing describing No-Name dist says it comes with instructions.

seems the instruction you link to are for an MSD brand dist.

Apparently No-Name dist is supposedly a copy of MSD dist ... But ...
... are the instructions same? Any discrepancy between the two instructions?
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 03:35 PM
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What was the problem with the Dual-point Mallory you had?

The first thing I would check because it started - are the plug wires located correctly and not 180 out. I know you said you set it up right. Worth checking.

Personally I would not have bought that unit for that money, who knows what it contains.

Good luck.
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 04:09 PM
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is the resistor wire removed from the ign circuit? otherwise it is causing a voltage drop. you want straight hot feeding electronic ignition. not the orig wire that fed the coil with the points setup. and grey tach wire. capped off. goes nowhere. not used in mech tach car. I am used to the large cap HEI, but my boats have lotsa space for distributors. this setup is aftermarket points replacement. looks better in a 68. keep us informed. like how much advance it has, when it comes in. his old dist was 70's drag car ignition. these look less orig in 68's,
https://www.amazon.com/New-Distributor-Corvette-Tach-Drive/dp/B016MGNZYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?keywords=tach+drive+hei&qid=1563135508&s=gateway&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/New-Distributor-Corvette-Tach-Drive/dp/B016MGNZYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?keywords=tach+drive+hei&qid=1563135508&s=gateway&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 04:27 PM
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Hello

Thanks for helping

This is the actual directions...they look the same

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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 04:30 PM
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Hello

Thanks for your help

I was informed the dual point unit was a race type and not optimal.
No vaccum
I wanted to improve the throttle response and other things
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 04:33 PM
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Hello Derekderek

I read a post somewhere that I should remove the resistor wire altogether.
Does this mean tracing it back to the fusebox and taking it out from behind?

I removed it and taped it off that and the brown wire
I ran another wire from front of fusebox to the + side of coil but it is acting like the resistor is still there as it drops to 10.45 on cranking
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 05:38 PM
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Hello Derekderek

I read a post somewhere that I should remove the resistor wire altogether.
Does this mean tracing it back to the fusebox and taking it out from behind?

I removed it and taped it off that and the brown wire
I ran another wire from front of fusebox to the + side of coil but it is acting like the resistor is still there as it drops to 10.45 on cranking
Don't sweat the 10 volt reading while its cranking (unless the module is a very picky POS) . It's normal for the battery voltage to get dragged down during cranking.

Do you have access to a dwell/tachometer that you can hook to the C- lead to check if the distributor module is actually switching the coil?
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 06:10 PM
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Hello 69427

Yet I do have a tach-dwell meter

not sure what c terminal is I usually connect 1 side to ground the other to coil neg

please advise
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if car wont run what am I looking for on the dwell meter please
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 06:12 PM
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Maybe just find a good used original single points distributor with the vacuum advance and follow Lars paper and tune it. Otherwise put the dual point back in!!
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 06:19 PM
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if car won't run hook a timing light up. see if any flash when cranking. squirt starting fluid or an ounce of gas down carb to check for lack of fuel. if no spark and hooked up right, return it. get a large cap setup. it is direct copy of ignition that was on most gm cars for a decade. you won't be able to put chrome box over ignition. heartbreaking...
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 06:31 PM
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Thanks Derek

I will try tomorrow as I bough this guy and no flashing

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Originally Posted by mike914
Hello 69427

Yet I do have a tach-dwell meter

not sure what c terminal is I usually connect 1 side to ground the other to coil neg

please advise
You're correct. The terminal I'm referring to, the C-, is the coil terminal with the minus sign. The C+ ties to the ignition switch, and the C- ties to the distributor module.

Put it on the dwell setting and crank it over to see if you get any dwell reading, or put it on the tach setting to see if it reads the cranking RPM. If you don't get any readings, it indicates that the coil is not being switched on and off (assuming you still have 10-12 volts on the C+ during cranking).
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 07:04 PM
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thanks


i will try it and report back
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 07:49 PM
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i think you got a defective new distributor. ran for 5-10 seconds and quit. cuz if it ran, you are timed and wired correctly. try a squirt of fuel just in case.

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Originally Posted by mike914
thanks


i will try it and report back
Just something I forgot to suggest, With the key on (and not cranking), do you have approximately 12v on both C+ and C- coil terminals?
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 08:13 PM
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Thanks

I am beginning to think it is defective.
I have starting fluid and will try the following tomorrow

Hook up timing light
Squirt starting fluid in carb
try to start

also same but will hook up Dwell meter
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Old Jul 14, 2019 | 08:15 PM
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I will check

I do have 12.6 with key on test probes on ground and the other on C+

I will check between C+ and C -

Thanks for the suggestions!
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Old Jul 15, 2019 | 07:20 PM
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I do not have 12 vdc between C+ and C-

I have zero volts

I do have 12 VDC between C+ and ground in 1st position of key now 11.3VDC while cranking.

I called tech support they went through mu wiring and asked me to run a separate ground to batt-.

They claim grounding has been an issue.\I did this no improvement.

They claim unit is defective and i must ask for a new unit.

Waiting on response from retailer.
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