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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 12:36 PM
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I recently found out the wrong heads were installed on my L46, so I tracked a set down. While I've got the heads off I'd like to upgrade the cam to something that may have been a little closer to LT1 specs. Problem being, I live at 7,000 feet, and this will never see anything near sea level driving. I'm hesitant to throw an aggressive cam in due to the high altitude. Does anybody have experience with spec'ing one out for this situation?
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Lars lives at 6000ft. Ask him.
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Other then raise compression further, you would be better off with a lower duration cam then the old LT1 cam. Something lower duration but more modern faster ramp cam.

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"High Altitude Cam" WOW that must be some kind of new fangled cam tech.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter13
"High Altitude Cam" WOW that must be some kind of new fangled cam tech.
Nice, thanks for the useful post.

Have you ever driven a real aggressive cam at altitude? It sucks.
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Originally Posted by beneharris
Nice, thanks for the useful post.

Have you ever driven a real aggressive cam at altitude? It sucks.
Yes I have...Why would you change out heads for the L46 heads? Better heads out there. As far as running at altitude, adding a turbo will bring back any lost power and more that you would lose from the thin air density. We run our race car at mile high every year with no power loss.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter13
Yes I have...Why would you change out heads for the L46 heads? Better heads out there. As far as running at altitude, adding a turbo will bring back any lost power and more that you would lose from the thin air density. We run our race car at mile high every year with no power loss.
I'm looking to keep the car as original as I can. I'm not looking to add back lost power, I'm looking for a camshaft that is useable.
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by beneharris
I'm looking to keep the car as original as I can. I'm not looking to add back lost power, I'm looking for a camshaft that is useable.
Go with the old Comp 268H.....it will be great for what you are doing....power everywhere......easy break-in with its slow ramps.

https://www.compcams.com/xe268h

I urge you though to either buy a pair of modern heads like a Dart 180 Pro 1 Platinum or at least have the L-46 heads pocket ported with a good 5 angle valve job and blending......you will not be disappointed.

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Tighter lobe separation helps compression.
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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
Go with the old Comp 268H.....it will be great for what you are doing....power everywhere......easy break-in with its slow ramps.

https://www.compcams.com/xe268h

I urge you though to either buy a pair of modern heads like a Dart 180 Pro 1 Platinum or at least have the L-46 heads pocket ported with a good 5 angle valve job and blending......you will not be disappointed.

Jebby
Thanks for the tip, Jebby. The L46 heads I bought are advertised to have been ported, new 5 angle job and new valves. Pictures look to back it up.

I will check that cam out in some detail - thanks!
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Wow, seem to have nice stuff!
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 03:39 PM
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He is the man, can help you steer clear of name brand stuff thats really junk. Good guy
Grinds one hell of a cam too
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So ... right or wrong, which heads do you have ? ...

... what do you think your compression ratio is now ?

... chamber CC size, valve OD inch sizes, port CC sizes ?

... what Octane gas do you expect to run ?

x2 ask Lars
Somebody swapped out heads at some point for 400 heads. The original L46 heads should return me to 11:1. Chamber is 64cc, valve 2.02, 1.6. I don't know the port sizes off hand. I plan to run premium.
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 04:18 PM
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dunno if straub does flat tappet cams

for flat tappet, these two
https://www.camcraftcams.com/

http://jonescams.com/
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Generally they say that you have a 3 % loss of HP per 1000 feet. Temp and humidity are a factor. but lets just say that you will have a 21% loss. I live about 5000 and have driven my vette to 12,183 feet on my way home through Rocky Mountain National Park. Right here I drive to almost 9000. You want to build for the most power, knowing that you have a big loss.

Like mentioned compression really helps. My static C/R is 11.2 in one and 11.7 in the other. I use big roller cams. I can really feel the difference driving at sea level and I just go up two jet sizes

You didn't say what type of cam you would like to install.
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gkull
Generally they say that you have a 3 % loss of HP per 1000 feet. Temp and humidity are a factor. but lets just say that you will have a 21% loss. I live about 5000 and have driven my vette to 12,183 feet on my way home through Rocky Mountain National Park. Right here I drive to almost 9000. You want to build for the most power, knowing that you have a big loss.

Like mentioned compression really helps. My static C/R is 11.2 in one and 11.7 in the other. I use big roller cams. I can really feel the difference driving at sea level and I just go up two jet sizes

You didn't say what type of cam you would like to install.
I'd like to install a normal flat tappet. I'm really not looking for a totally hot-rodded cam, just something a bit better than stock.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by beneharris
I'd like to install a normal flat tappet. I'm really not looking for a totally hot-rodded cam, just something a bit better than stock.

Thanks!
Could you please take a picture of your pistons. L-46 should have a domed piston and when used with 64 cc heads you should have @ 11:1

The cam is very wimpy. I know because my L-82 wasn't a sports car! So knowing what you have you can make a wise choice of cams.

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So my first cam was a crane and I used 1.6 rockers to get more lift. Talk to them about what springs and retainers to use.


Good mid-range to upper RPM torque and HP. Daily driver with street/strip performance. 2800+ stall. Fair idle. Compression 9.5 to 10.75.
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 08:49 PM
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All this talk of 11.1 compression and the factory engine was really lower then that. All that goes out the window at 7000ft. If you think of it at sea level the original engines were really more in the 10.5 range and at 7000ft it would be like maybe 8.5 engine at sea level maybe worse. Throw in a 240s at .050 old tech Lt1 cam now you have nothing in bottom in tq. Go for a lower duration faster ramp more lift modern cam.
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 09:14 PM
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I live in Colorado with an aggressive cam. Car runs fine. Perhaps you should consult experts like Comp Cams, Howards Cams etc .
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