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Old Jun 18, 2020 | 02:23 PM
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What causes just a small detonation knock at the startup moment on a chevy BB?
Is has 11 degrees timing at idle. 36 total. No detonation on idle or load, just a small ping at startup.

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Did you check the advance springs for damage or being over stretched from age?
The 36 total is at what engine speed?
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Yes, all of that checked..
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You didnt answer the question about what engine speed is the 36 achieved?
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If it has 11 degrees advance at idle with vacuum advance still connected, you have the ignition timing WAAYYY retarded. 12-15 degrees advance with vacuum advance DISCONNECTED (and hose plugged off) would be where you want it.
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What is the total vacuum advance, and is it connected to ported or manifold vacuum? If you didn't buy the correct can, add a limiter, or put in an adjustable can, and measure the result, it may be too much.
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Originally Posted by MelWff
You didnt answer the question about what engine speed is the 36 achieved?
Sorry, I have a Msd pro billet with silver bushing (25 deg) and one light silver and one light blue, so total timing should be just before 3000 rpm
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
If it has 11 degrees advance at idle with vacuum advance still connected, you have the ignition timing WAAYYY retarded. 12-15 degrees advance with vacuum advance DISCONNECTED (and hose plugged off) would be where you want it.
The distributor has no vacuum.

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There is just two three pings just when it start, then it disapears.
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Have you checked the mark at the harmonic balancer for a 0º degree true lecture with cylinder 1 at TDC?
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Originally Posted by corvetero
Have you checked the mark at the harmonic balancer for a 0º degree true lecture with cylinder 1 at TDC?
Yes, with a dial indicator when the heads was off.

Im thinking this engine dont like my 870 Street avenger, its a vacuum carb and onley one acc pump. Think it want more fuel....dubble pumper...
Becasue its hard to start when cold to.....starts Easy when hot.
I have no choke, and with dual plane intake and Only fuel from one accpump, I think it wants more fuel...
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Need some info on your engine... compression ratio,cam ,heads etc?
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Sounds like your idle may be lean or your squirted are too small....if you don’t have ping anywhere else, then it’s a lean condition at startup. What rpm is it at when it pings. What’s your choke idle speed. You could also put more tension on your choke to fatten up the initial fuel charge
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Are you sure it is pinging and not just exhaust noise?
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Originally Posted by Rescue Rogers
Sounds like your idle may be lean or your squirted are too small....if you don’t have ping anywhere else, then it’s a lean condition at startup. What rpm is it at when it pings. What’s your choke idle speed. You could also put more tension on your choke to fatten up the initial fuel charge
It pinging before idle, just when the engine is starting up.
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Originally Posted by Sigforty
Are you sure it is pinging and not just exhaust noise?
yes, that is no exhaust noice.
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Originally Posted by Engage
Need some info on your engine... compression ratio,cam ,heads etc?
461 ci
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Hmmm...I know the fuel in the car is atleast 3-4 years old. But it should ping under load if fuel was tooo old.
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Originally Posted by Rescue Rogers
Sounds like your idle may be lean or your squirted are too small....if you don’t have ping anywhere else, then it’s a lean condition at startup. What rpm is it at when it pings. What’s your choke idle speed. You could also put more tension on your choke to fatten up the initial fuel charge
yes, since I have a carb with only one acc pump the engine doesnt get much fuel when I squirt it before start. And when I have a duealplane the cylinders at the back on the engine dont get any fuel...until it starts up on idle??

cant say any rpm....its in the precise startup

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Unless you pump it 5 to 7 times risking flooding, I don’t know if there’s anything you can do
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Originally Posted by Rescue Rogers
Unless you pump it 5 to 7 times risking flooding, I don’t know if there’s anything you can do
I have a double pumper im going to test.

But first am going to test some higher and lower timing at idle...
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