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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 08:38 PM
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did you check your tail shaft and driveshaft for play
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Old Dec 16, 2020 | 03:22 PM
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did you check your tail shaft and driveshaft for play
Yes. Squared away.
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I think we got it !!

FedEx delivered this morning the new low-profile, polyurethane transmission mount.





Before noon it was in the car and I was out for a test drive.

My test drive was short because of rain. Aaand - it seems, seems... that fixed the problem. The car is much more comfortable to drive. No rumbling vibration in the transmission tunnel or footwell.

I need to tweak the exhaust pipe a bit; it’s slightly banging against the seat bolt... but other than that, I think the problem is solved.

More testing to follow
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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 07:59 AM
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For the first time, since I bought this car three years ago (?) it feels like a normal car
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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 09:55 AM
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Well... it’s not over yet. It’s a very big improvement but, I’m not convinced.

I now think there might be a small balance problem or the exhaust just drones in an annoying way.

Tomorrow I’ll run it parked at at 3000 rpm with a hand on the valve cover.
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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DorianC3
Well... it’s not over yet. It’s a very big improvement but, I’m not convinced.

I now think there might be a small balance problem or the exhaust just drones in an annoying way.

Tomorrow I’ll run it parked at at 3000 rpm with a hand on the valve cover.
cool..
i would also doublecheck engine mounts..they are tricky to see until you jack up oneside of enginethen other..the rubber seperates..
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Originally Posted by interpon
cool..
i would also doublecheck engine mounts..they are tricky to see until you jack up oneside of enginethen other..the rubber seperates..
Thanks ! The motor mounts looked in good shape when I installed them less than a year ago, new.

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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 10:31 PM
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Could you share the part number for that Low Profile tranny mount? And where did you order it from?
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 07:22 AM
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Hmm. Well that’s super interesting.

(Note: trans mount bracket is tight and the tranny lowered away from the body.)

I no longer think it’s the balance of the engine.

I did the glass of water test and... it passed. In fact it passed with high marks.

At idle the water in the glass was clearly disturbed. As I brought it up in rpm, the water went completely flat. And I mean flat.

The only thing I can think of now is exhaust resonance. In order to fit the T5 I removed the center exhaust hangers located at the transmission mount.

The exhaust pipes are hanging only from the headers and the mufflers. Nothing is supporting them in the middle. I’m thinking under load that must be resonating. It’s not touching the holes in the trans cross member.

I do emphasize that the it always seemed to me that the vibration was in synch with the exhaust popping. Sort of a rumble.
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Originally Posted by carriljc
Could you share the part number for that Low Profile tranny mount? And where did you order it from?

I got it from here.

https://conversioncrossmembers.com/p...on-mount-02-b/

Hmm. I think the price went up $10 since a few weeks ago
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 08:46 AM
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Need to check muffs as well. I know they are Flowmaster something or others.
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 10:54 AM
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I took it out for another test drive and checked a few things.

It seems that the vibration/rumble comes and goes between 2500 and 3200. Above 3200 it seems to be gone.

At idle the exhaust tips seem to shake a lot - so tells me a sneaker sole resting on it. They don’t seem to be firmly located.

I popped under the car and checked the hangers.


The look pretty flimsy to me. Maybe it worked for a very mild 350.... but not so much for a high performance V8 ?
I will need to measure the exhaust pipes again but to me they look closer to 2 than 2.5 inches.

Muffs are some kinda Flowmasters.








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Oh year....that bracket that bolts onto the frame is weak. I ordered my rear exhaust hangers from corvette central and it all fit like a dream.


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I took it out for another test drive and checked a few things.

It seems that the vibration/rumble comes and goes between 2500 and 3200. Above 3200 it seems to be gone.

At idle the exhaust tips seem to shake a lot - so tells me a sneaker sole resting on it. They don’t seem to be firmly located.

I popped under the car and checked the hangers.

https://youtu.be/doHn89m_27M

The look pretty flimsy to me. Maybe it worked for a very mild 350.... but not so much for a high performance V8 ?
I will need to measure the exhaust pipes again but to me they look closer to 2 than 2.5 inches.

Muffs are some kinda Flowmasters.

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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 12:45 PM
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Thanks...and, wow, that's quite the price for a center mount.

Originally Posted by DorianC3
I got it from here.

https://conversioncrossmembers.com/p...on-mount-02-b/

Hmm. I think the price went up $10 since a few weeks ago
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This is what mine look like. They are nice and solid. Since you have aftermarket mufflers you may need to fabricate something, but you could start with these since the little tab inserts into the frame and then you bolt it down....it's all nice and solid. For that matter you could probably modify yours with thicker metal but not sure it's worth the hassle with the price of these being 28 bucks.
https://www.corvettecentral.com/68-7...ounting-323289

You will note that the LOWER end of the bracket bolts onto the stock mufflers, and you can see that in this image:
https://www.corvettecentral.com/c3-6...2f%3fcount%3d9

Anyway, I have a 2.5" system from the front to the back and it doesn't rattle nor rumble. I went to essentially a stock parts 2.5" system with stock mufflers a couple of years ago after having headers and fabricated exhaust for 30+ years.

I added the pictures from the corvette central webpage in case the links change in the future. I rotated the support brackets so it's easier to visualize how they bolt onto the frame. I was surprised/happy how well it all fit to my car after 30+ years of a fabricated exhaust.


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Those 40 series flowmasters are definitely going to drone.....likely what you are experiencing. If you could put an H-pipe just after the headers that may tone it down for you.
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Thanks gents...

I really wish I had a stock exhaust set up

Been doing a lot of reading about C3 corvettes, glass bodies and, Flowmaster 40 muffs... and I think I’m experiencing droning.

Droning apparently is a resonance that is felt in the cabin, not just heard. From what I read, I t’s not uncommon in C3 corvettes with loud muffs and usually happens at a set RPM band.

Changing mufflers is one solution. Car Chemistry inserts is another. Finally a cross pipe can also help.

New mufflers and or exhaust pipes can get pricey quick, especially shipping the whole kit and kaboodle over here, Belgium.

Inserts behind the collectors, I think are the easiest and cheapest solution... but there will be a price to pay in power for the muscular 400 SBC.

Finally a crossover might help - splitting and diminishing the pulses. It’s not too expensive... excluding labor, which may be hard to find here. And it may make dropping the exhaust a pain later on.

I think the best idea is to start with the inserts and see if that makes a difference.

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You need to make a secure exhaust mounting for those loosy-goosy mounting brackets that you showed. I would suggest that you start with that first.
You can place the cross-over at the rear -- like underneath the spring area. That's where mine was before I changed to stock exhaust..and that's where I plan to cut and weld one in again. Should be easy there.

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Originally Posted by carriljc
You need to make a secure exhaust mounting for those loosy-goosy mounting brackets that you showed. I would suggest that you start with that first.
You can place the cross-over at the rear -- like underneath the spring area. That's where mine was before I changed to stock exhaust..and that's where I plan to cut and weld one in again. Should be easy there.
Agreed. That bracket has to go. I used to have a crossover on my other car and liked it. I also like the idea of bone stock. On other hand I gotta figure out best budget here. But something has to be done about the hangers
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I spent quite a bit of time exploring cost effective solutions to droning. The inserts always seem to work well.
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