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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 10:37 AM
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I have recently installed a pre-70s M20 in my 73 coupe, and set up the linkage with the short-throw Transmission Lever Rod attachments. The Reverse Transmission Lever has no short-throw 2nd/lower hole like the 1-2 and 3-4 Transmission Levers, and don't really have to.
But I am finding I have to jam the Shifter into reverse really hard forward in order to release the Steering Wheel/Ignition Key Lock. I may solve this problem by perhaps lengthening the Reverse Shift Lever Rod by one Lock Nut turn without creating a Neutral Position problem, but want some input from some of you M20 Pros first. Or, has anyone here drilled a Short-Throw hole in the Tranny's Reverse Lever, if for anything consistency in Shift Pattern travel? Rather drastic, but would do the job.
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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 10:43 AM
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Have you considered disabling it? It was the first thing to go on my 72' when installing the Hurst shifter.......I hate that damn thing......

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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 12:57 PM
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Have you considered disabling it? It was the first thing to go on my 72' when installing the Hurst shifter.......I hate that damn thing......

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Yes, I'm hating it too. But it does somewhat work as an anti-theft deterrent and this is San Diego California.
Besides, it's a brand new cable I just paid for Jeb.

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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 05:40 PM
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I have the short throw setup on my 69 and no modifications were required for the reverse lever. Are you sure the cable doesn't have it's own adjustment procedure?
Looked it up, the adjustment is in the engine compartment at the firewall bracket.

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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 06:28 PM
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'68 and older Muncie uses different levers. Did you get the right ones for the tranny?
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Looked it up, the adjustment is in the engine compartment at the firewall bracket.
Sure will Mel. That would solve quite a few problems.
Another thing I just noticed in driving it around the block, is.the fine line between finding 1st gear and Reverse gear. Just something I'll have to get used to huh.
Thanks much.

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Originally Posted by stingr69
'68 and older Muncie uses different levers. Did you get the right ones for the tranny?
Oooo, good question. I bought the shifter with Rods, complete with Levers and all hardware attached, without knowing there was a difference.
Thanks. Will research it.

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Old Nov 24, 2021 | 07:04 PM
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Would the fact that the Shift Lever Anti-Reverse Rod having just a bare rod end identify it as an older or newer unit? Because it has.
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Would the fact that the Shift Lever Anti-Reverse Rod having just a bare rod end identify it as an older or newer unit? Because it has.
Thanks.

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something is wrong if the shifter is going into reverse without pulling up on the T handle on the shifter.
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Originally Posted by MelWff
something is wrong if the shifter is going into reverse without pulling up on the T handle on the shifter.
You know what, I'd better check I'm NOT pulling up on the T-Handle when shifting. I'M NEW TO THIS SHIFTER.

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The '68 and older Muncie shift levers are retained with a nut. The '69 and up Muncie uses a bolt to retain the shift levers. The obround holes in the levers are not the same size new style vs old style so you need the right levers for the year of the transmission. One way will not go together at all and the other way they will go together but be rather loose.
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Originally Posted by stingr69
The '68 and older Muncie shift levers are retained with a nut. The '69 and up Muncie uses a bolt to retain the shift levers. The obround holes in the levers are not the same size new style vs old style so you need the right levers for the year of the transmission. One way will not go together at all and the other way they will go together but be rather loose.
Happy Thanksgiving!


Pretty sure I lucked out and have the right Shifter with the right Transmission. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Hey, would have been a great time then to have inserted the Linkage Locating Gauge and adjust Rod lengths.

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ITs not the shifter its the cable/ rod and switch at the other end that need adjustment.

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Looks like the shifter is bolted to the transmission. I believe that makes it a C2 shifter.
Edit, I see the correct C3 bracket when I zoom in.

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Originally Posted by Cavu2u
Happy Thanksgiving!


Pretty sure I lucked out and have the right Shifter with the right Transmission. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Hey, would have been a great time then to have inserted the Linkage Locating Gauge and adjust Rod lengths.

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

The levers are retained with a nut so the Muncie is the earlier '68 and older design. If they fit tight on the shafts, you have the right levers for the transmission.
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Originally Posted by MelWff
Looks like the shifter is bolted to the transmission. I believe that makes it a C2 shifter.
That pic shows it on the mount sitting on the wood if you zoom in
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The picture of your assembly you posted shows the linkage in the "long throw" positions, not the "short throw" positions.
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Originally Posted by Rescue Rogers
ITs not the shifter its the cable/ rod and switch at the other end that need adjustment.

read this
http://www.jimshea.corvettefaq.com/w...ems27JL041.pdf
Thanks much for that reminder! I have that paper somewhere in this desktop, but I don't know where. Oh well, another trip down on my back.

On another note, a while back I had a question about where the Booted End of the Shift Lock Cable goes: On the Top end or on the Bottom end. After I installed it, consensus was I got it wrong. Belongs on the bottom at the Tranny's Lever end. Here's what happens when the Boot end is on top.

Crushes a bit, limiting the Column Lock Lever's Down Travel.


Boot with Reverse Selected.


It could go up a little bit farther, allowing the Key to turn to the Ignition Key Remove position a little easier. Having to jam the Shifter forward in Reverse for Key removal now.

Thanks again RR.
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Originally Posted by stingr69
The picture of your assembly you posted shows the linkage in the "long throw" positions, not the "short throw" positions.
I was so excited when I received the Shifter/Rods assembly that I just HAD to install it to see if it fit.



It's set up for Short Throw now.

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