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Old Dec 23, 2021 | 10:35 PM
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Can loose valves cause occasianal backfires? When i’m on an incline, or turning sharp, and I dont gove it a lot of gas, sometimes a backfire comes through the carb. This just started occuring a couple days ago, and has happened 4 or 5 times. One time it killed the engine. This sucks cuz for the last month or so its been driving perfectly after going through some vacuum and timing issues. Ive checked everything off the list except a valve adjustment. Any ideas?
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Backfiring through the carb is usually timing - an intake valve is open when the spark plug fires. A loose rocker would allow the valve spring to close the valve sooner or faster - unless maybe the valve is bent or something and it is not snapping back shut right away.
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Old Dec 23, 2021 | 11:27 PM
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If you had a valve adjustment issue. It wouldn't raise it's ugly head only on an incline or when turning hard.
Perhaps going lean would. Improper float level adjustment comes to mind.
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Old Dec 23, 2021 | 11:49 PM
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Backfire up through the carb is usually indicative of a lean condition. This can be caused by faulty accel pump system, plugged discharge nozzles, and bad accel pump due to ethanol fuel with a poor quality accel pump.

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Yup! lean. Listen to Lars! Valve adjustment with hydrolic lifters. No. not so much.
And yes, Listen to Lars!
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Backfiring through the carburator can also be caused by an exhaust valve not opening also, and I hate to use this term, a Crossfire due to a bad distributor cap.

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If there is a valve problem or a cross-firing distributor cap, the backfire will be regular and constant. He has an "occasional" backfire that can be induced by throttle position, throttle movement, and fuel slosh/fuel level. Everything points to a lean condition induced by some problem with the carb.

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Originally Posted by lars
If there is a valve problem or a cross-firing distributor cap, the backfire will be regular and constant. He has an "occasional" backfire that can be induced by throttle position, throttle movement, and fuel slosh/fuel level. Everything points to a lean condition induced by some problem with the carb.

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You left out a low float level....this would rear its head on inclines and turns......

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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
You left out a low float level....this would rear its head on inclines and turns......

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I think Jebby has it nailed! incline and turns say that he is on to it.

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Originally Posted by lars
If there is a valve problem or a cross-firing distributor cap, the backfire will be regular and constant. He has an "occasional" backfire that can be induced by throttle position, throttle movement, and fuel slosh/fuel level. Everything points to a lean condition induced by some problem with the carb.

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I got to disagree with that statement. I've seen intermittent back firing problems caused by cams going flat, carbon tracking in the distributor cap, etc. The other thing is what's occasion to the OP is subjective. Occasion to him maybe once every 5 seconds or 5 minutes. I'm sure if anyone of us was actually there to hear the backfire we would immediately know exactly what was going on.
Nothing to do with this but a good example how people think. I got a phone call from someone saying his A/C needed to be recharged. He dropped the car off. I started the car up and turned on the A/C. You could hang meat in that car it was so cold. I called him back and told him A/C is working fine. He said yes but when I put the A/C on the "charge" light would come on. It was just a low idle. I got a million stories like this. Marc
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Thanks for the info guys i’ll open the carb up again. I didnt think about the accel pump, thatll be the first thing i look at. I just adjusted my floats to 7/16 and 1 inch a month ago. I’ll double check them too.
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Lars knows, take his advise!

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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
You left out a low float level....this would rear its head on inclines and turns......

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Jebby -
I actually indicated it was a carb problem with a lean condition - that would include a variety of issues, including low flow, that can induce a lean condition with carb under various conditions. As you know, there are at least a dozen other issues that can also induce a lean condition with resultant backfire up through the carb.
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Originally Posted by Cmurray79
I just adjusted my floats to 7/16 and 1 inch a month ago. I’ll double check them too.
What in the world type of carb do you have with a 7/16" float level...??
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My thoughts exactly.
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Originally Posted by lars
What in the world type of carb do you have with a 7/16" float level...??
AMEN.

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Isn’t that the initial adjustment for an Edelbrock float?



This is from the Edelbrock tuning manual.
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Originally Posted by lars
What in the world type of carb do you have with a 7/16" float level...??
I shouldve clarified in the original post, its an edlebrock 1406. New accep pump didnt change anything, as well as changing the location of the accel linkage to a more agressive fuel load
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Originally Posted by Factoid
Isn’t that the initial adjustment for an Edelbrock float?



This is from the Edelbrock tuning manual.
yes this is what I was going off of, and havnt had issues in the past with it. I’ve just gotten back to my car, i was in AZ since New years
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Originally Posted by bluthundr
Backfiring through the carb is usually timing - an intake valve is open when the spark plug fires. A loose rocker would allow the valve spring to close the valve sooner or faster - unless maybe the valve is bent or something and it is not snapping back shut right away.
In addition, a loose rocker can cause the pushrod to bind up and bend. Then the bent rod will affect the valve timing. It is possible but i don't know about the probability of it happening. Plus it would be a consistent missfire. So Lars has it nailed again
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