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Old Apr 25, 2023 | 04:56 PM
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Just replaced the leaky power steering control valve in my '78 with a rebuilt unit, installed according to instructions and balanced the piston rod. With the engine running, everything seems normal until I turn the steering almost all the way to the left stop. At that point it feels as though something forcefully grabs the wheel and holds it firmly all the way to the left. The only way I can release it is to turn the engine off to relieve pressure from the pump. I realize this could just be a bad control valve, but I wanted to see if anybody here might have some other thoughts before I go to the trouble of removing, returning then re-installing another valve. Appreciate any ideas --
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Old Apr 25, 2023 | 05:14 PM
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i think you may be right..
any chance to rebuild your old one? cheap enough and you know done right.
also a double check of hose locations?
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Old Apr 25, 2023 | 05:36 PM
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I actually did rebuild the old one, and surprisingly not that hard, but for some reason I could never get the band around the rubber seal right and it always leaked there. I just got tired of messing with it so I bought a rebuilt unit. The hose placement has been quadruple checked, so that's not the problem. I was just really hoping to avoid another remove/replace but looks like I'm probably in for one more round. Thanks for your reply, though.
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Any time the PS system is "opened up" a huge amount of air is introduced. All the bubbles need to be removed before a test drive.

With the front end up, tires off the ground, engine running, several "Lock-To-Lock" cycles of the steering wheel need to be done. It may take 7 or 8 cycles.
Then recheck your fluid level.

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I did all of that, first with engine off, then with engine on. It was actually during the engine-on cycle that the problem came up.
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Old Apr 25, 2023 | 06:51 PM
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you have to take the cover off and expose the adjustment nut and center it when running
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Thank you, forman, but I also did that. I appreciate everyone's thoughts here, but I think I'm just going to have to exchange the valve and hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by Pbal
I did all of that, first with engine off, then with engine on. It was actually during the engine-on cycle that the problem came up.
First with the engine off? Bingo, we have an answer.
I bet you ruined the internals turning lock to lock without power assist.
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did you leave the piston rod un mounted from its frame mount and do the balance
procedure?

if not, do it.
you will find the rod will need mount adjusting because rod will be in a diff place
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That's an interesting theory. I've done lock-to-lock before with engine off when doing other work, and never had a problem, though. Wheels off the ground of course.

I've contacted the company I bought the valve from, and I'll see what they have to say.
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Originally Posted by calwldlife
did you leave the piston rod un mounted from its frame mount and do the balance
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if not, do it.
you will find the rod will need mount adjusting because rod will be in a diff place
Yes, the piston rod was unmounted when I when I adjusted the balance.
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Originally Posted by Pbal
Yes, the piston rod was unmounted when I when I adjusted the balance.
and you adjusted the mount to where the rod stopped?
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Originally Posted by calwldlife
and you adjusted the mount to where the rod stopped?
Are you referring to the mount bracket position on the frame? Didn't seem necessary as the rod aligned perfectly, but I'll take another look today.
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steering wheel straight, rod adjusted for balance, rod mounted at exact length.
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
First with the engine off? Bingo, we have an answer.
I bet you ruined the internals turning lock to lock without power assist.
Can you expand on why this is bad? I’ve been doing this with mine, and have not had an issue, but if I’m skating on thin ice, I’d like to know…
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calwldlife, Not sure I'm following you completely. This is the guide that I used for installation:

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervie...D&&FORM=VRDGAR

The only noticeable difference between his installation and mine, is that he is able to move the rod with one or two fingers. Mine required a little more effort.
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adjust this so the rod doesn't doesn't retract or extend when mounted.

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Jim Shea recommends turning the wheel lock to lock several times with the engine off to get the air out.
You might try this before you have to remove the PSCV again.



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Originally Posted by calwldlife
adjust this so the rod doesn't doesn't retract or extend when mounted.
I think I see what you're saying now. As I adjust the rod balance, make sure it ends up at the exact length where it will be mounted. I'm headed to the garage right now to work on it some more, I'll let you know how it goes - thanks.
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Originally Posted by Peterbuilt
Jim Shea recommends turning the wheel lock to lock several times with the engine off to get the air out.
You might try this before you have to remove the PSCV again.


That's good information, and exactly what I did, except he mentions a couple of dozen cycles, I counted to 14 when I did it. I also have not yet put the car on the ground, although I'm not sure if that would make any difference to the problem I have.
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