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Old Mar 17, 2026 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by stingr69
Rock Auto "96206" Remy product is what I would (did) get. Need the 2 new design bolts 12338064 too. Dorman has them at a good price. GM are much higher so your choice.
Well I shouldn’t rely on my feeble memory, the bolts are staggered🤨. Now I am trying to install a new pump to Qjet fuel line that is not bent correctly, did a couple of Armstrong bends to get them threaded at each end, but leaks at pump. Grrrr
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Old Mar 17, 2026 | 02:11 PM
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Staggered pattern vs inline pattern.
Staggered pattern for big flywheel vs inline pattern for small flywheel.
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Old Mar 17, 2026 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by stingr69
Staggered pattern vs inline pattern.
Staggered pattern for big flywheel vs inline pattern for small flywheel.
Thx again Stingr, my L48 has the large flywheel.
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 04:16 PM
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I want to thank everyone for their advice on starters and flywheel info. Now I know my L48 4speed has a 168 tooth flywheel. I am going to go ahead and order from Rock Auto for the very first time and order a Starter made by WAI Global P/N 3510NPG (PG260). This starter was highly recommended by Rebelyell and according to Rock Auto's website, it has lifetime warranty all others had 2 or 3 year warranty. I will follow up with the weight difference, whether it fit perfectly and if it included the bolts. Thanks again to everybody for their advice.


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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 05:01 PM
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You will probably need to modify the hot main connector on the starter fyi. I just rebuilt my original hi torque starter
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rt-79-a-2.html
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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 08:38 PM
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Okay sound good Interpon, I will look into that. I went ahead and ordered the starter cables that lead from the starter upwards since I was already there and it was going to take a couple of days for the starter to get here anyway might as well make sure everything from the starter going up is new(fusible links).

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Old Mar 19, 2026 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by interpon
You will probably need to modify the hot main connector on the starter fyi. I just rebuilt my original hi torque starter
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rt-79-a-2.html
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Okay sound good Interpon, I will look into that. I went ahead and ordered the starter cables that lead from the starter upwards since I was already there and it was going to take a couple of days for the starter to get here anyway might as well make sure everything from the starter going up is new(fusible links).

Thanks Interpon
Pictured starter looks as though it may be a Hitachi-style Denso-style with main terminal stud On Side of Starter.
PG260 has terminal studs located approximately same configuration as OE 10MT. On End of solenoid.

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Originally Posted by Rebelyell
Pictured starter looks as though it may be a Hitachi-style with main terminal stud On Side of Starter.
PG260 has terminal studs located approximately same configuration as OE 10MT. On End of solenoid.
nice..
wish i knew that when trying mine
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Old Mar 21, 2026 | 12:36 PM
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Good news, I just received my new starter from Rock Auto. I also received my new starter wiring harness leading from starter to upper connection. The only problem I see is that connections are not labeled on starter. The big bolt is obviously Battery, the black to ground, the little ring terminal to which side? The right side? Both little terminals have a nut on them and it is lose. Also as you can see the starter weighs a whole 8lbs and it does come with the installation bolts. Super light.


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Okay I found this on the internet. Still confused left or right? My guess is mine is the newer style so the right one nearest block.

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Old Mar 21, 2026 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rmrtrex

Okay I found this on the internet. Still confused left or right? My guess is mine is the newer style so the right one nearest block.
Your guess is correct.
older cars and those with points ignition DO use the R terminal.
Newer cars with electronic (aka HEI) ignition Do Not use the R terminal.
However, Both older And newer use the S terminal to energize their starters' solenoid and start their motors.

Your 3510 NPG works with Both older or newer; because it has the R terminal that's necessary for points ignition. If you don't need R terminal, simply ignore it and do Not connect anything to it. IIRC, R terminal is energized Only when key is held in START position.
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New Wai 3510NPG starter or PG260
New Wai 3510NPG starter or PG260
Original style OEM Starter
Original style OEM Starter
Side by Side comparison.
Side by Side comparison.
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Old Mar 22, 2026 | 01:14 AM
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What I learned installing new starter. You will have to grind the around the nose a little to make it fit properly. Not that big of a deal. The bolts are included with the new starter, but you will have to put some flat washers because the bolts are a little too long. I used 2 flat washers per bolt.
Also your car will definitely sound different when cranking to start engine. My car now sounds like a new diesel truck very strong. Lol
Old Original starter pic from the bottom.  Amount of space taken up by old starter
Old Original starter pic from the bottom. Amount of space taken up by old starter
New Start and the amount space taken by new starter
New Starter and amount of space taken.
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Old Mar 22, 2026 | 01:20 AM
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I will try to look for the correct starter bolts which are the 3/8 x 16 by 4.33", so far they are a little hard to find.

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Old Mar 22, 2026 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rmrtrex
I will try to look for the correct starter bolts which are the 3/8 x 16 by 4", so far they are a little hard to find.
that size is wrong.

Correct bolts are Not hard to find in USA
Correct UNDERHEAD Length is approx 4-5/16" aka 4.33"
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The Correct (necessary) Pair of two LONG bolts for diagonal aka staggered pad mount PMGR PG260 starters are (per EACH):

GM P/N 12338064 (supersedes GM P/N 14037732 )
or
Dorman P/N 678-107
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Pioneer P/N PG-622
or
SKP P/N SK678107

yes, I triple-checked for errors/ typos
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Old Mar 22, 2026 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Rebelyell
that size is wrong.

Correct bolts are Not hard to find in USA
Correct UNDERHEAD Length is approx 4-5/16" aka 4.33"
here:
The Correct (necessary) Pair of two LONG bolts for diagonal aka staggered pad mount PMGR PG260 starters are (per EACH):

GM P/N 12338064 (supersedes GM P/N 14037732 )
or
Dorman P/N 678-107
or
Pioneer P/N PG-622
or
SKP P/N SK678107

yes, I triple-checked for errors/ typos
Are these bolts for either application or just the new smaller starter. Thx
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Old Mar 22, 2026 | 08:12 AM
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I was going to say. Get ready for a different sound. I checked and re checked engagement before I figured it was normal lol
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Originally Posted by Rebelyell
that size is wrong.

Correct bolts are Not hard to find in USA
Correct UNDERHEAD Length is approx 4-5/16" aka 4.33"
here:
The Correct (necessary) Pair of two LONG bolts for diagonal aka staggered pad mount PMGR PG260 starters are (per EACH):

GM P/N 12338064 (supersedes GM P/N 14037732 )
or
Dorman P/N 678-107
or
Pioneer P/N PG-622
or
SKP P/N SK678107

yes, I triple-checked for errors/ typos
Originally Posted by sphil
Are these bolts for either application or just the new smaller starter. Thx
as stated: for diagonal aka staggered pad mount PMGR PG260 starters
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Originally Posted by Rebelyell
that size is wrong.

Correct bolts are Not hard to find in USA
Correct UNDERHEAD Length is approx 4-5/16" aka 4.33"
here:
The Correct (necessary) Pair of two LONG bolts for diagonal aka staggered pad mount PMGR PG260 starters are (per EACH):

GM P/N 12338064 (supersedes GM P/N 14037732 )
or
Dorman P/N 678-107
or
Pioneer P/N PG-622
or
SKP P/N SK678107

yes, I triple-checked for errors/ typos
Okay, I just figured since the original bolts were too small and the new bolts it came with were too long, that they would be 4" bolts. I was off by about .33. Appreciate the help RebelYell, thanks. I will see if I can get the correct bolts.
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Originally Posted by sphil
Are these bolts for either application or just the new smaller starter. Thx
Okay just ordered the correct bolts, thanks Rebelyell.
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