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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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An engine requires more radiator cooling capacity to keep it at lower temps because it puts out more BTUs.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
No. If a mod makes the motor more efficient at cruising RPMS, (in this example, by reducing pumping losses), it will get better fuel economy. The HP required to overcome drag at 60 mph is a certain amount. Your modded motor is more efficient and will require less fuel to make that hp.
Are you saying just for the K&N? Because it's not more efficient at part throttle. Nothing past the TB has changed. If the K&N is less restrictive, you'll simply induce more restriction by opening the TB less. If more air were going in than before at 60mph cruising (all else equal), the engine (and thus the car) would start to accelerate.

I think the only place a freer intake could help would be at WOT, and then only if the original either didn't flow enough or flowed hotter air.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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That's right, pumping losses from anything in front of the throttle blades will not cost you anything at all, except at WOT.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
That's right, pumping losses from anything in front of the throttle blades will not cost you anything at all, except at WOT.



And....if your engine requires, say 600cfm air at wide open throttle at a 7psi pressure differential....and your stock filter setup will flow 650cfm @ 7psi delta....then going to an aftermarket filter that is capable of flowing 800cfm @ 7psi delta will gain you zero in the way of power. In this case, there are no pumping losses from the stock air filter...even at WOT.



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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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And....if your engine requires, say 600cfm air at wide open throttle at a 7psi pressure differential....and your stock filter setup will flow 650cfm @ 7psi delta....then going to an aftermarket filter that is capable of flowing 800cfm @ 7psi delta will gain you zero in the way of power. In this case, there are no pumping losses from the stock air filter...even at WOT.
Nope. If your engine wants 600cfm, the stock filter you mentioned will flow 600 cfm, at about 6.5psi drop. The aftermarket you mentioned would flow 600 cfm at about 5.5 psi drop. So there'd be less pumping losses with the lower restriction one no matter what.

The engine doesn't "require" any particular psi drop. It just requires air. The pressure drop, and resulting HP loss will be a result of how restrictive the path is, whether it's "flow rated" at 10,000 cfm or 200 cfm (and it will be measured in a few inches of water column, nowhere near ~7psi.)

You're not a fluid engineer either are ya Larry?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Mojo
Remember that we are all smarter than the engineers who designed these cars.
When my stock 95 six speed can go 13.07@108, I think they did something right.
That being said, I do have the K&N, the SLP Claw, even the airfoil(it was free) and the 160 t-stat. Haven't had a chance to take it to the track yet, but in all honesty, I'm not expecting much.
Good, you won't be dissappointed, nor excited either.
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 06:42 PM
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apparently, this turned out to be a good topic for conversation... let's discuss it over a few yummy dark draft beers...

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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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so what does cutting open the air box lid do besides make a bunch of noise at wide open throttle? Is there really a benifit from doing this mod?
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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I'm not sure how restrictive it is to begin with. It will make your air filter dirtier faster though.
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
The engine doesn't "require" any particular psi drop. It just requires air.
You can also see the pressure drop on cars with a MAP sensor. Mine doesn't tend to drop more than 2 KPa at WOT @ 7,000 rpm. I'm fairly certain the intake poses no restriction for me (I have a Claw, the cut-lid and paper dropped maybe 3-4 KPa at WOT @ 7k).

I think that's like .3psi?
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