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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
If it was a one time thing I wouldn't have a problem asking someone I knew that had an account to run one. I think $30 is outrageous for one report. I have quite a few friends that I wouldn't hesitate to ask and absolutely would have no problem if they asked me.
If I was actively researching vehicles and pulling multiple VINs then I would pay for a 30 day account. It's only around $40/mo for unlimited VINs and in my case well worth it. I actually found my old Vette through Carfax.
If I was actively researching vehicles and pulling multiple VINs then I would pay for a 30 day account. It's only around $40/mo for unlimited VINs and in my case well worth it. I actually found my old Vette through Carfax.
Drifting
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From: Minneapolis MN
If I have carfax, I'll offer it to who I want, as I paid for the service for "unlimited" carfax for that period of time, so YES, you can run as many as you can, not theft... why not help a forum member out? Would it be theft if a forum member needs a part for the car and you give it to him for free since you have a spare??? or do you make him go buy it new!??!
And if I need a carfax, I'll ask online... usually the responses are via PM, so no one gets their feathers ruffled
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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
When you pay for Carfax you agree to their terms & conditions which specifically state for personal use only, which means you and you alone. So it is a violation of the terms and conditions you have agreed to. And a violation of forum rules. None of us are perfect, though, that we agree on.
We all can make a choice to do what we want when we pay for a service.
It is a gray area if we choose to run a report for someone as far as personal use is concerned. The difference, as far as carfax is concerned, is personal use or business use. Meaning you may not charge another party for running carfaxes.
When I purchased my vette a couple years ago I ran probably 30 reports and they sent me an email asking if I was using it for personal use.
My response: none of your business I paid for a 30 day usage. If you think I am violating the terms of use have your attorney contact me.
Burning Brakes
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and you're perfect citizens in society, right? 
If I have carfax, I'll offer it to who I want, as I paid for the service for "unlimited" carfax for that period of time, so YES, you can run as many as you can, not theft... why not help a forum member out? Would it be theft if a forum member needs a part for the car and you give it to him for free since you have a spare??? or do you make him go buy it new!??!
And if I need a carfax, I'll ask online... usually the responses are via PM, so no one gets their feathers ruffled
Hey, go back to kindergarten and learn how to read. I highlighted the appropriate section of YOUR user agreement.
Oh, and what part of abiding by the terms and conditions of this site you you not get???????????????
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Burning Brakes
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Hmmm. "You shall not steal?" Honor.
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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
Burning Brakes
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Come by. I need lots of free labor. I thought this was America where we had a right to be paid for the fruits of our labor. Read your Carfax user agreement and then come back and let us know that it is OK to provide the reports to other members.
Hey, go back to kindergarten and learn how to read. I highlighted the appropriate section of YOUR user agreement.
Oh, and what part of abiding by the terms and conditions of this site you you not get???????????????
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Hey, go back to kindergarten and learn how to read. I highlighted the appropriate section of YOUR user agreement.
Oh, and what part of abiding by the terms and conditions of this site you you not get???????????????
2. Restrictions on Use. The Site contains copyrighted material, trademarks, and other proprietary information, including, without limitation, text, software, photos, graphics (the "Content"). The Content of the Site, as well as the organization, layout, arrangement and design elements of the Site and each individual page of the Site, are the property of CARFAX and its affiliates and are protected by United States and international copyright, trademark and other applicable intellectual property laws. You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the Content, in whole or in part. Except as otherwise expressly permitted under copyright law, no copying, redistribution, retransmission, publication or commercial exploitation of downloaded material will be permitted without the express written permission of CARFAX or the copyright owner. In the event of any permitted copying, redistribution, or publication of copyrighted material, no changes in or deletion of author attribution, trademark legend, or copyright notice shall be made. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by downloading or printing the copyrighted material, or by using the Site.
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Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
The word "and" located between "personal" and "non-commercial" means that the service, as purchased, can't be used for commercial purposes. Giving a report to a friend for free would not be a commercial use while selling it would be. Another way of looking at it would be if one of our kids asked us to check a VIN for them would doing so be a non-personal use of Carfax? I'm not an attorney and it would be great if there is one reading this thread that could briefly state what it means when the word "and" is inserted between use conditions in a contract.
You may not resell it. If I did a report for a car my friend was considering is that not personal use. yes it is
I guarantee you that if I did a report for someone and they tried to take me to court, it would never fly.
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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
Come by. I need lots of free labor. I thought this was America where we had a right to be paid for the fruits of our labor. Read your Carfax user agreement and then come back and let us know that it is OK to provide the reports to other members.
Hey, go back to kindergarten and learn how to read. I highlighted the appropriate section of YOUR user agreement.
Oh, and what part of abiding by the terms and conditions of this site you you not get???????????????
2. Restrictions on Use. The Site contains copyrighted material, trademarks, and other proprietary information, including, without limitation, text, software, photos, graphics (the "Content"). The Content of the Site, as well as the organization, layout, arrangement and design elements of the Site and each individual page of the Site, are the property of CARFAX and its affiliates and are protected by United States and international copyright, trademark and other applicable intellectual property laws. You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the Content, in whole or in part. Except as otherwise expressly permitted under copyright law, no copying, redistribution, retransmission, publication or commercial exploitation of downloaded material will be permitted without the express written permission of CARFAX or the copyright owner. In the event of any permitted copying, redistribution, or publication of copyrighted material, no changes in or deletion of author attribution, trademark legend, or copyright notice shall be made. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by downloading or printing the copyrighted material, or by using the Site.
CARFAX offers you access to the Site and to the Content available on the Site solely for your own personal and non-commercial use. You may not resell or make any commercial use of the Site or the Content. You may not make use of any product listings, descriptions, or prices. You may not download or copy any account information for the benefit of any other merchant. You may not make use of any robots, spiders, or similar data mining, data gathering or extraction tools or manual processes to collect, gather or copy any of the Content in an unauthorized manner. You may not engage in the practices of "screen scraping," "database scraping," or any other practice or activity the purpose of which is to obtain lists of users, portions of a database, or other lists or information from this Site, in any manner or in any quantities not authorized by CARFAX. You may not frame or utilize framing techniques to enclose any trademark, logo, or other proprietary information (including images, text, page layout, or form) of CARFAX or its affiliates without prior express written consent. You may not use meta tags or any other "hidden text" utilizing CARFAX name or trademarks without the express written consent of CARFAX.
Hey, go back to kindergarten and learn how to read. I highlighted the appropriate section of YOUR user agreement.
Oh, and what part of abiding by the terms and conditions of this site you you not get???????????????
2. Restrictions on Use. The Site contains copyrighted material, trademarks, and other proprietary information, including, without limitation, text, software, photos, graphics (the "Content"). The Content of the Site, as well as the organization, layout, arrangement and design elements of the Site and each individual page of the Site, are the property of CARFAX and its affiliates and are protected by United States and international copyright, trademark and other applicable intellectual property laws. You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the Content, in whole or in part. Except as otherwise expressly permitted under copyright law, no copying, redistribution, retransmission, publication or commercial exploitation of downloaded material will be permitted without the express written permission of CARFAX or the copyright owner. In the event of any permitted copying, redistribution, or publication of copyrighted material, no changes in or deletion of author attribution, trademark legend, or copyright notice shall be made. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by downloading or printing the copyrighted material, or by using the Site.
CARFAX offers you access to the Site and to the Content available on the Site solely for your own personal and non-commercial use. You may not resell or make any commercial use of the Site or the Content. You may not make use of any product listings, descriptions, or prices. You may not download or copy any account information for the benefit of any other merchant. You may not make use of any robots, spiders, or similar data mining, data gathering or extraction tools or manual processes to collect, gather or copy any of the Content in an unauthorized manner. You may not engage in the practices of "screen scraping," "database scraping," or any other practice or activity the purpose of which is to obtain lists of users, portions of a database, or other lists or information from this Site, in any manner or in any quantities not authorized by CARFAX. You may not frame or utilize framing techniques to enclose any trademark, logo, or other proprietary information (including images, text, page layout, or form) of CARFAX or its affiliates without prior express written consent. You may not use meta tags or any other "hidden text" utilizing CARFAX name or trademarks without the express written consent of CARFAX.
Burning Brakes
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Hey,
If copyright violation doesn't float your boat, then let's then go back to forum rules, which I believe you agreed to abide by as a condition of use of this site:
"The Corvette Forum does not condone any activity which is dishonest, unethical or immoral with that said, members will be required to purchase their own Carfax report, rather than to share a purchase from another member.
Although such activity does not directly affect the forum, it does promote a procedure which the forum deems to be inappropriate.
Carfax is used as an example, but, the rule will apply to any similar activity or business."
Forum Rules Regarding Carfax
If copyright violation doesn't float your boat, then let's then go back to forum rules, which I believe you agreed to abide by as a condition of use of this site:
"The Corvette Forum does not condone any activity which is dishonest, unethical or immoral with that said, members will be required to purchase their own Carfax report, rather than to share a purchase from another member.
Although such activity does not directly affect the forum, it does promote a procedure which the forum deems to be inappropriate.
Carfax is used as an example, but, the rule will apply to any similar activity or business."
Forum Rules Regarding Carfax
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '09
Nothing to do with CarFax Rules. This Forum doesn't allow it. Petition to change the rules, find another Forum, or start your own.
IMHO a $45 charge (or what ever it is ) is really cheap if you have no idea about the car you want to buy.
CarFax is in no way responsible for the accuracy of their report.
IMHO a $45 charge (or what ever it is ) is really cheap if you have no idea about the car you want to buy.
CarFax is in no way responsible for the accuracy of their report.
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It really is funny to listen to people who steal through white collar crime like recording piracy, tax/insurance fraud, lies when licensing their cars, misuse of licenses like CARFAX, etc, and they blather about trying to justify their complete disregard for rules, morals and laws because they don't suit their personal needs. I'd love to hear the revolting justifications you pass on to your kids. Thats why the world keeps getting worse.
I'd also like to see the Forum review this thread, take those who proudly proclaim their ignoring the CARFAX forum rules and ban them.
Mods?
I'd also like to see the Forum review this thread, take those who proudly proclaim their ignoring the CARFAX forum rules and ban them.
Mods?