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Old Jun 23, 2018 | 03:31 PM
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I'm going to install a kill switch to either my fuel pump or starter .car already has aftermarket viper alarm . Bright blue led blinker as well .should be enough to keep them from stealing it. Unless they have a tow truck lol
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Originally Posted by ihatebarkingdogs
If you have a Viper, you can incorporate the kill switch into the Viper. Orange wire on the Viper is grounded with alarm armed. Use a relay activated by the orange wire, and the relay contacts interrupt your desired circuit.The orange wire kill can be bypassed by putting the Viper into Valet. Starter kills are the least risk, in that if something fails it will not cause a running engine to quit running. (Rail road tracks). If you want to keep it from running, I like to interrupt the turn-on signal to the ECM. The clue that the device has deactivated is the Service Engine Soon light comes on. If it doesn't, the ECM isn't powered, and will not start. I don't like to interrupt the fuel pump because fuel pump circuits cause enough diagnostic grief without introducing additional complexity.

Use a cube Bosch-type relay:
Terminal #85 to Viper orange wire.
#86 AND #30 to the wire in the circuit that is interrupted that is HOT when energized. (Key side of starter, Key side of ECM turn-on, etc.)
#87 to Switched side of circuit that is interrupted. (Motor side of starter, ECM side of turn-on, etc).

The relay can not be energized with key = off, or the battery will discharge after a few days of inactivity.. The other benefit to this circuit is that it fails in the will-run condition.
I usually install it on the starter. And it's usually in a place j can reverse the kill switch if it fails. I've never had an issue. Plenty of places to hide the switch as well .
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 02:17 PM
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Just to make this all simple. If they want your car bad enough they're going to get it.....End of story
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokeysvette
Just to make this all simple. If they want your car bad enough they're going to get it.....End of story
Even simpler, it is the insurance company's problem once you pay the "peace of mind fee" aka insurance premiums and of course the deductible.
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 03:03 PM
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"Yes, peace of mind" All three of my Corvette's are fully insured through NCM with "0" deductible. So if they want mine bad enough let them go through the trouble and steal it. I can always replace them if need be.
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Originally Posted by aklim
Even simpler, it is the insurance company's problem once you pay the "peace of mind fee" aka insurance premiums and of course the deductible.
that's true. but sometimes you don't want your car stolen, replacing it may be a bitch. (assuming you want another C4 )
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Originally Posted by Smokeysvette
Just to make this all simple. If they want your car bad enough they're going to get it.....End of story
So what you're saying is, C4 owners have little to worry about.
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So what you're saying is, C4 owners have little to worry about.
No not at all and I love my two C4's (and my insurance show it....LOL) but again, no matter what you have if they want it bad enough they will find away to get it.
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that's true. but sometimes you don't want your car stolen, replacing it may be a bitch. (assuming you want another C4 )
While I would not want another one, I don't want anything stolen. I don't want to worry about it getting stolen either. If I want to worry why pay more for comprehensive insurance? Besides why not get something newer and with more gadgets? Kinda like losing a spouse. Get a newer model with bigger *****.
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While I would not want another one, I don't want anything stolen. I don't want to worry about it getting stolen either. If I want to worry why pay more for comprehensive insurance? Besides why not get something newer and with more gadgets? Kinda like losing a spouse. Get a newer model with bigger *****.
I bought my C4 because I like them a lot. I've had C5 (Z51),C6(Z06), and im on my 2nd C4. best feel of all so far. now the Z06 will absolutely destroy this C4, but I still like it. I didn't buy it to race. Bought it because the look of it makes me smile and feel good

as for the wife comment, I can agree with that
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Originally Posted by C6_Racer_X
So what you're saying is, C4 owners have little to worry about.
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Less than the owners of the 10 most stolen cars for sure. Even less if they buy comprehensive insurance instead of just liability.
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I bought my C4 because I like them a lot. I've had C5 (Z51),C6(Z06), and im on my 2nd C4. best feel of all so far. now the Z06 will absolutely destroy this C4, but I still like it. I didn't buy it to race. Bought it because the look of it makes me smile and feel good

as for the wife comment, I can agree with that
Fair enough. Still, why worry when you can buy yet another even if your two get driven off a cliff? It's not like a cat or a dog that can have a relationship with you. It's just another inanimate object that people seem to want to personify. Kinda like the old anti-gay argument. If you let 2 guys marry, why not a guy and his dog or cow or car?
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Besides why not get something newer and with more gadgets? Kinda like losing a spouse. Get a newer model with bigger *****.
Because many of the newer gadgets are irritating and detract from the experience. It's not like "bigger *****"...it's more like more/irritating idiosyncrasies.

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Because many of the newer gadgets are irritating and detract from the experience. It's not like "bigger *****"...it's more like more/irritating idiosyncrasies.
I have talked to some purists who feel that the cupholders in the Mercedes are that way. You should be driving only and not drinking or eating. Heaven forbid a crumb falls in the car. I guess I am not that way. If anything, the gadgets do enhance my pleasure on the ride.
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I have talked to some purists who feel that the cupholders in the Mercedes are that way. You should be driving only and not drinking or eating. Heaven forbid a crumb falls in the car. I guess I am not that way. If anything, the gadgets do enhance my pleasure on the ride.
Really? The gadget that locks the doors on you? You like that? You pull up to pick up your wife and she can't get in the car? Yes...that is super cool. How about the one that prevents the car from doing a burn out? Is that fun on a Corvette? What about the gadget that makes the clutch hard to modulate? Or the one that makes the throttle feels slow and dumb? How about the gadget that limits maximum launch tq from the engine? Is that what you want in a 'Vette? How about the gadget that ruins your high speed shifts? How do those "features" improve the experience that a Corvette should provide? They don't.

In reality, the C6 has very little content that the C4 coudln't be optioned with, 10 years earlier. But the technology interface in the C4 is much more straight forward to deal with, IMO.
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Really? The gadget that locks the doors on you? You like that? You pull up to pick up your wife and she can't get in the car? Yes...that is super cool. How about the one that prevents the car from doing a burn out? Is that fun on a Corvette? What about the gadget that makes the clutch hard to modulate? Or the one that makes the throttle feels slow and dumb? How about the gadget that limits maximum launch tq from the engine? Is that what you want in a 'Vette? How about the gadget that ruins your high speed shifts? How do those "features" improve the experience that a Corvette should provide? They don't.

In reality, the C6 has very little content that the C4 coudln't be optioned with, 10 years earlier. But the technology interface in the C4 is much more straight forward to deal with, IMO.
I actually have this on my MB sedans. I have a choice of having it on ot off. Same with the Excursion. They are on, BTW. My C4 DOES NOT have it and I have no manually lock my doors when I drive. For the few time I do it to pick up the wife, there are way too many times ro mention that I don't have to remember to lock the doors after I get in. As to the traction control, isn't there a switch to turn it off? Chuck at CoW seems to have a tune that fixes the throttle lag. Besides if I want to push the car, I would be getting a tune anyway. Also someone did mention better or as good results with launch control.

So yes, if you insist on controlling every aspect of your car, modern tech isn't a good thing

http://www.corvettes-of-westchester.com/products/cowbooster/

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-general-discussion/3325811-poor-throttle-response.html

As long as I con maintain or reasonably control the controller I guess for me, the toys are worth the COST. YMMV. My wife doesn't like the smart thermostat for example. I prefer it to control the house temp since it does save me more money in the long run than. The old wheel one. Further it takes over making it comfortable with less effort on my part. I have to learn it to control it. IMO the trade off is worth it. She doesn't agree but she isn't a big fan of electronics
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I actually have this on my MB sedans. I have a choice of having it on ot off. Same with the Excursion. They are on, BTW. My C4 DOES NOT have it and I have no manually lock my doors when I drive. For the few time I do it to pick up the wife, there are way too many times ro mention that I don't have to remember to lock the doors after I get in. As to the traction control, isn't there a switch to turn it off? Chuck at CoW seems to have a tune that fixes the throttle lag. Besides if I want to push the car, I would be getting a tune anyway. Also someone did mention better or as good results with launch control.

So yes, if you insist on controlling every aspect of your car, modern tech isn't a good thing

http://www.corvettes-of-westchester....ts/cowbooster/

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-response.html

As long as I con maintain or reasonably control the controller I guess for me, the toys are worth the COST. YMMV. My wife doesn't like the smart thermostat for example. I prefer it to control the house temp since it does save me more money in the long run than. The old wheel one. Further it takes over making it comfortable with less effort on my part. I have to learn it to control it. IMO the trade off is worth it. She doesn't agree but she isn't a big fan of electronics
Why do you lock your doors when you drive? What is the doing for you? Does it keep you from falling out of your own car? Whatever the answer, you can't program that feature on the C6; it's locking you in and there is nothing you can do about it.

COW says he fixes the throttle, but he don't. He may improve it slightly but it's not fixed. What ever the degree of "fixing"...now you're advocating "newer/better" but the first thing you need to do is buy crap to fix the problems created by the "gadgets" that you claim to like?? Come on, man.

You can turn off TC/AH but it takes about 10 seconds to accomplish this. By then, the moment has passed, and you've either lost the race, or the urge to do a burn out...whatever. It's dumb. You can't turn off tq management. You can pay a tuner to mitigate it but they can't eliminate it, I understand. Either way...these are the features/gadgets that you claimed above that you like...right? But it's no big deal b/c we can pay someone to eliminate it??

No good driver is going to be beaten by launch control in a C6. Early C6 didn't have that feature anyway.


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Fair enough. Still, why worry when you can buy yet another even if your two get driven off a cliff? It's not like a cat or a dog that can have a relationship with you. It's just another inanimate object that people seem to want to personify. Kinda like the old anti-gay argument. If you let 2 guys marry, why not a guy and his dog or cow or car?
I don't worry about my car. if someone wants it bad enough they're going to take it. nice to know you can make the thieves struggle to take it. thats the point

I got nothing against gays. now beastiality is a no no
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I have talked to some purists who feel that the cupholders in the Mercedes are that way. You should be driving only and not drinking or eating. Heaven forbid a crumb falls in the car. I guess I am not that way. If anything, the gadgets do enhance my pleasure on the ride.
The problem with Mercedes Benz cup holders is that the engineers at MB had no clue how to design them. Our 560-SEL has the factory cup holder option. This is what the factory cup holder on a 1989 MB with a $90,xxx window sticker looks like.



This is the cupholder from a MB W126 S class (1989 560-SEL for example). Shown ready to put your drink cup in it. Yes, it's on the door. Don't spill your drink getting in or out of the car.


This is the cupholder from a MB W126 S class (1989 560-SEL for example). This is when it's closed and not in use.

Those actually look like something you would buy at Walmart for $5 or less each, or maybe even a dollar store. I will say, they are made of decent plastic, even if it feels cheap. Ours are still intact and working (to the extent that they work) after 30 years and several owners. But they just exude "cheap afterthought" in a car that is otherwise very refined for it's time.

Later Mercedes Benz cars have really weird cup holders in the center console. The ones in the early 2000's C class look like they were designed by a team that included Rube Goldberg and Wile E Coyote.

By the 2012 and later models, they've done a little better, but they still aren't anywhere close to the best cup holders you can get. And given their motto, many Mercedes Benz owners would opt for "nothing" if that was a choice.
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Why do you lock your doors when you drive? What is the doing for you? Does it keep you from falling out of your own car? Whatever the answer, you can't program that feature on the C6; it's locking you in and there is nothing you can do about it.

COW says he fixes the throttle, but he don't. He may improve it slightly but it's not fixed. What ever the degree of "fixing"...now you're advocating "newer/better" but the first thing you need to do is buy crap to fix the problems created by the "gadgets" that you claim to like?? Come on, man.

You can turn off TC/AH but it takes about 10 seconds to accomplish this. By then, the moment has passed, and you've either lost the race, or the urge to do a burn out...whatever. It's dumb. You can't turn off tq management. You can pay a tuner to mitigate it but they can't eliminate it, I understand. Either way...these are the features/gadgets that you claimed above that you like...right? But it's no big deal b/c we can pay someone to eliminate it??

No good driver is going to be beaten by launch control in a C6. Early C6 didn't have that feature anyway.
I don't know. We feel more comfortable with the doors locked so either we remember to lock it soon as we get driving or something does it for us. My roommate and his family lived in a small town and apparently many there consider it rude to lock the doors, I sleep very well with a gun at my bedside. And yes, I've had people try to get into our door at the stop light and she has had a drunk try to climb onto her trike when she is at the light so if you feel comfortable with the door unlocked, go for it. I prefer my door locked. My car has a price tag. My body, no. I can earn money to buy another car. I'm not sure if I can buy another body anytime soon.

Unfortunately, I can't pick and choose the parts I want so my choice is to either live a life bereft of tech or accept some compromise as long as the ledger is in the black on the whole. I'm not sure what your definition of fixed is. If he CoW can negate it enough where I don't notice it, I guess it won't bother me. I have not personally evaluated what CoW means by fixed. Briefly glancing around, it seems like it is at least managed enough. As to having to get a fix to rein in that aspect, I'd have to say that compared to making 400 RWHP, that is going to be a drop in the proverbial bucket.

Maybe you can tell me what that 10 seconds means to me. You wouldn't happen to be advocating street racing in the city, would you? Lets say I go out tonight to go kick some ***. Can I not turn it off as I am heading out the door? And yes, I paid someone to eliminate the problem with the transmission and rear end and engine and ECM in my C4. Kinda taking the good with the bad as long as it comes out positive on the whole and not just on one line.

Maybe, maybe not. Chess is a man's game. No computer will ever beat it. Until Deep Blue got a tweak.
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