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A/C Extremely Efficient
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Safety Car
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From: MANDEVILLE, LA La
A/C Extremely Efficient
Filled it with ES Industrial ( Enviromental Safe) Freon Couple weeks ago and today with Ambient Outside Temp. 82 F ,Temp. at Dash Vent 42F. Unbelievable. This stuff is Great.
Racer
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From: Westfield MA
Is it "ES-12R"? I saw this stuff on the EPA website.
Edit: I think I found it on ebay. "Enviro-Safe Industrial 12A". Its a blend, but doesn't give the chemical make up. I'm still using R12 but I will investigate this a bit more.
Edit: I think I found it on ebay. "Enviro-Safe Industrial 12A". Its a blend, but doesn't give the chemical make up. I'm still using R12 but I will investigate this a bit more.
Last edited by SS409 425HP; May 11, 2005 at 09:33 PM.
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Safety Car
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From: MANDEVILLE, LA La
Unbelievable Stuff..Completely compatible with R12, 134A and their Oils
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
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From: Bartlett Illinois
what kind of HIgh and Low Pressures are you seeing on your car while it is cycling?
I need to charge my A/C (fixed the leaks over the winter) and was going to do R134a which was in there before and working well, but this sounds like a possibly good option.
I need to charge my A/C (fixed the leaks over the winter) and was going to do R134a which was in there before and working well, but this sounds like a possibly good option.
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Safety Car
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From: MANDEVILLE, LA La
You won't be dissapointed.
Check their Web Site and / or E-Mail Randy.
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
Check their Web Site and / or E-Mail Randy.
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
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From: Bartlett Illinois
Originally Posted by CAJUN C4
You won't be dissapointed.
Check their Web Site and / or E-Mail Randy.
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
Check their Web Site and / or E-Mail Randy.
http://www.autorefrigerants.com/
I will have to email them.. I did not see any comparisons to the pressures from R134a or R12
Le Mans Master
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Its a hydrocarbon blend, outlawed in 15 or so States including Louisiana. It isn't illegal to sell it though and it's widely advertised. Flashpoint is about 1500 degrees, so absent a flame, it's pretty difficult to ignite.
Le Mans Master
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From: Edmonton AB
Originally Posted by SunCr
Flashpoint is about 1500 degrees, so absent a flame, it's pretty difficult to ignite.
I have 'Red Tek 12a' in an older BMW. (Do a Google
on Red Tek and you'll get a number of hits with
technical and legislative info.)
I wish I hadn't ok'd the switch from freon
.
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HC blends are apparently popular in Canada and Europe. The OEMs have tested them, but apparently gave up admitting they couldn't make a leakproof system and the EPA has denied multiple 12A certification requests. They remain legal to sell, with the onus on the end user, and I don't know of any enforcement actions.
Le Mans Master
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From: San Diego, Ca
Originally Posted by Lone Ranger
Will it work in a residential central a/c unit?
Le Mans Master
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I'm sure it does, but I have trouble giving my money to a manufacturer that writes endlessly on how Dupont controls the EPA and that's why their stupendous product has never been approved for motor vehicle use. If there were just some facts, independent studies (other than those that say the flammability of the product potentially makes it dangerous - really dangerous if mixed with small percentages of R12), that would be great. Otherwise, since 50 Bucks still pays for the few cars I come across that still need it, I'll keep buying R12.
Burning Brakes
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From: Las Vegas NV
Originally Posted by SunCr
I'm sure it does, but I have trouble giving my money to a manufacturer that writes endlessly on how Dupont controls the EPA and that's why their stupendous product has never been approved for motor vehicle use. If there were just some facts, independent studies (other than those that say the flammability of the product potentially makes it dangerous - really dangerous if mixed with small percentages of R12), that would be great. Otherwise, since 50 Bucks still pays for the few cars I come across that still need it, I'll keep buying R12.
