greetings,

i wrote the deadbeats at "speedbleeders" and poised the following question;
(copied and pasted from their site)
".....When bubble free fluid is evident you close the Speed Bleeder. In the closed position it works just like your stock bleeder screw and prevents any brake fluid from leaking out. It generally takes about 5 pumps to purge each caliper or wheel cylinder...... " .

YOUR (their) SITE INDICATES THAT BLEEDING THE BRAKES IS A "ONE MAN" OPERATION WITH THE SPEED BLEEDERS THEY MARKET.

SO, IF I AM THE "ONE MAN" PUMPING THE BRAKE PEDAL FROM THE LEFT DRIVERS SEAT. HOW THEN, AM I SUPPOSED TO
SEE "BUBBLE FREE FLUID" WHEN I AM BLEEDING THE RIGHT PASSENGER SIDE FRONT AND REAR WHEELS TO VERIFY THAT THE AIR IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE CALIPERS?

i have gotten 2 "read receipts" from them and they either cannot answer my question, found that their site is "mis-advertising" and ducking me and my question out or, that they do not want to say that there is no way to see that "bubble free fluid is evident".

this is not a thread/question to determine if speed bleeders work or not, nor is it a roll call as to if they worked for "mr.a" or "mr b".
based on my reading some say they do and some say that they have had problems with them.

not wanting to take the chance on an already suspect statement from their web site and their avoidance of my questions, i take no "security" in the statement that "... It generally takes about 5 pumps to purge each caliper or wheel cylinder...... " nor would i rely on it.

my question is, how is the right front and rear wheel bleeding container VIEWED while you are pumping the brakes or does it in fact, TAKE A 2ND PERSON for the procedure?

 

Well I guess in the true spirit of your question you can't actually watch the passenger side of the car by yourself. You can however see the master cylinder going dry and assume sufficient fluid has gone through the system. Don't know if that qualifies them as deadbeats..I happen to like mine.

 

I'd like to know the same thing!

I usually have someone helping me anyway....
























ps: when I said someone helping, I meant my wife is in the driver's seat pushing the brake pedal and wondering aloud, "how much longer is this gonna take?"

 

What it REALLYmeans is you can pump the brakes (yourself) then get out and fill the MC, empty the collection jar maybe, than go pump again. Because the speedbleeders are not supposed to allow air back in when the pedal is relaxed.

 

You're supposed to pull an Inspector Gadget and stick your head under the car and stretch your neck like E.T. to the other side to watch the fluid come out while your back is in the shape of a cinnamon twist from Taco Bell all the while hoping the red stuff flowing from your spine unto your leather seat isn't your blood.....hence the name: Speed Bleeders.

 

you kind of come off like a punk in your post. You're probably "over-thinking" the problem a little and trying to pick a fight with them thar deadbeats from Speedbleeders.

I've never seen a negative remark from anyone who's actually purchased and used them. I got mine in the mail a few days ago and the service was same-day (on a weekend). So perhaps you could back off a bit and just ASK "Say, how does one properly bleed the brakes with ____" instead of automatically assuming someone else is trying to sell a crap product.

As for your thinly veiled question - again a little common sense: No, you cannot directly view the caliper or drain tube in some instances. However, pump the brakes a few times, then view the drain tube. if the fluid is clean and free of bubbles then you are done. If not, add more fluid to the MC and repeat. Try and do as good a job the old fashioned way... For $28 (for four) you can't beat them.

Feel free to pull your foot out of your mouth now.

 

Maybe you should also remove your foot from your mouth. Only a punk would reply in such a manner on this forum.
Think a little before you write.

 

thanks for the reply....however, when you ask the same question to a company that is supposed to stand by and support their products or supply some customer service and they don't, i call them deadbeats although the rules and regs of the forum prohibit me from any expletives. when you merely see a master cylinder going down, that does not in any way indicate that the air has been purged from the system.

 

thanks for the reply...........sure, but one will never know if the brake fluid has been totally purged of air as he/she cannot see the collection jar.....the fact that the brake fluid is going down is only an indication of fluid leaving the system and nothing else......thusly, a 2 man job.

 

thanks for the reply........see previous post. i may not so much be "whacking" the product as i have read both good and bad about it but, more-so their lousy customer service and deceptive statement on their web site....

 

ohhh ohh, here we go!....
one tends to get frustrated with a company that is quick to market a product and whom does not stand behind it or to provide customer service or support and who will say anything to make a sale regardless if the product works or not. i also would not waste my time "picking a fight" with them or anyone. i would just "do what i had to do in whatever way i needed to to accomplish my desired results" if i had issues with anyone or any company.

i am not over thinking a damn thing, only making an observation and asking opinions. i have read threads where users have had problems with them and in your case, you have not read.

sure, i am glad that you "got yours" in the mail recently but, that does not address the "support or use issue" as they depict on their web site.

i know a few ways to bleed brakes and don't need to ask and further, i have not suggested that their product is "crap" although as i said before, some have said they are good as well as bad...

i have not attempted to "veil" anything! i am up front and direct. the "old fashioned way" seems ok to me as well as others. i see you have supported my question with the remark you have made. the containment jar, being at rest and with nobody working the brake, is only an indication as to what has come out of the line, not that all the AIR is out of the line! there is no way in all instances unless you use a 2nd person or cctv that one, pumping the brakes could view the left side of their car to view the containment jar while in the bleeding process.

and in regards to your "attempt" at an insult, my foot is nowhere except entering your body at blinding speed, burying it all the way up to my knee. i am surprised that you would need to use insults to support your already somewhat merit-less position and case in chief instead of answering the question directly.

 

Speedbleeders also sells a "collection bag" or something like that. It looks like an IV bag. As you pump into it is slightly pressurized, so the fluid is stationary in the silicone line until you remove it from the bleeder. I use this method and you can observe if there is air in the line. It really is a one man job. I will get the name and post it later.

 

thank you for your response.....i had only asked a question and was only looking for civilized comments about the issue, not to have insults hurled at me or anyone else.

however, if they are thrown at me, i hurl them back. i am no punk by any means. i think he "may have issues of a non organic nature".

 

thanks for the response...bag or jar, i don't see how one could tell if the air is out of the system merely by looking at a collection bag or jar. one could argue that if their brakes felt better after using the devices, that they indeed work. however, one could not "testify" that all the air was observed coming out and is indeed out of the system.

how could you see the bleeding process (fluid and air coming out of the system) with the bag or jar at the right side wheels and with the jar or bag placed on the ground (so-to-speak)?

with the "old fashioned way", when someone pumps the brakes, the "observer (the second man) can observe that the fluid is going into the collection "unit" and that no further air is being expelled. with the "speed bleeders", once you quit pumping the brakes and got out of the car and walked around to the wheel, all you are really going to see is a collection unit with brake fluid, and nothing more. no further evidence that all the air has been expelled.

 

You started the thread with an aggressive tone and came off like an azzhat (in my opinion only, of course). I responded in like kind. You assume the people at speedbleeders are deadbeats. I'm assume you're a punk based on your initial posting.

However, to address the question from this point forward and avoid more tangients: I'm really not sure what you're hoping to accomplish? Can you really EVER be sure you have all the air out of the system? Doing it the "2 person" way, you're still trying to close off the valve while the second person applies pedal. Again, there's a risk (not a certainty, but a RISK) of letting air back into the caliper as you tighten the plug back up, depending on how reliable your helper is.

Using the speedbleeder and a clear hose that they sell along with their product - since the bleeder has a checkball in it and should not let any air back into the caliper - you press the pedal and express fluid. You can then inspect the clear plastic hose for air bubbles and / or dirty fluid. If it's clear and with no bubbles - then there's no reason to think you haven't gotten all the air out (because of the checkvalve working to keep old fluid/air from re-entering the system). The only catch to this system is that you CAN use it solo (in other words, an advancement from requiring two people), but I suppose you don't have too. You could use the speedbleeders as a safety since they DO have a checkvalve, and for $7 a piece I don't see how you can beat it. However, If you really want to stare at the caliper because that's the only way you're comfortable - then no need to try something else? If it ain't broke, then no need to try and fix it, right? (Personally, I'll take a SB over the Old Way 7 days a week and twice on sundays).

I'm in no way invested in their company - but I'm just not sure why this is so difficult.



Where's my Bruce Lee smilie?

 

I use speedbleeders myself without any problems.

 

When their is air coming out, you can usually hear it, its much more audible than if its pumping straight fluid out.
Diarrhea vs. chunk comparison

 

You can pump the pedal a bunch then get out and check the hose. If there are still bubbles coming out, they'll be in the drain hose still. Fluid only moves when you're pumping it.

You also have to get out of the car to refill the reservoir. Does that make it a 3 man operation?

 

ahh grashoppa,
you have much to learn grasshappa! geez, i thought "tones" were something that one hears or sees, as in paint, not reads......again, make no mistake, i am no punk, so, don't make that assumption or error. however as i said before, i will respond exponentially in kind to that which is directed at me which i deem hostile or insultive so, let this end here .

when a company, if it be an auto parts distributor or phone company or and provider of a service or device, advertises a product or service and provide no support or customer service for what they claim in their advertisements or claims, they are deadbeats in my opinion, short and sweet.

yes, i think one can be as sure as sure can get when bleeding a brake using the old fashioned method. if there is no evidence of air being expelled into the collection unit and while the pedal is in it's downward stroke with fluid still coming out, i would be hard pressed to believe that air would be sucked in against a high pressure brake fluid flow.

 

I would not have given you the time of day if were the guy on the other side of your phone call. Then again, customer service isn't my fortay.


You sound like an ***-hole that likes to hear himself talk.