easily.....when it stops, i stop.....

 

........what, "play" with the dead?........

 

no kidding...ugh!

 

[QUOTE=kalister1]....and you really believe that?...you would do this?....geez, the responses have now gone from the insultive to the bizarre, from those whom are eager to see their name or response in print w/out making a valid and logical contribution.....definetly a symptom of a non organic anomaly!

 

[QUOTE=elefkow]i too agree in part in the "process" however, unless you are there
actually viewing the air being expelled into the collection container and verifying that the air has ceased going into the container while pressing the brake, one could empty the container all night and STILL not be sure, maybe convinced w/o substance but, not sure.

 

I have 8 of them to bleed on my Wilwoods (2 per wheel), and it has never been a problem. I use clear tubing, pump 5 or 6 times, then look at the tubing, if it looks like there is bubbles in there, I fill MC and pump 5 or 6 times more. Then move on to the next bleeder.

Mike

 

Free post.



By the way - the great thing about those clear plastic tubes is - oh nevermind.

 

great, but you can SEE the tubing. when one man is pumping the brakes, he cannot see the right side wheel calipers

 

ok...what??.....ya got me "rivited"

 

I want my click back.

 

hahahha....... k...c...i...l...c... (backwards) , ok, it's back!

 

No, you do not need 30 feet of tubing. But you could use a piece just long enough to see what's going on. Nothing says the tubing has to be kept as short as possible. Just a couple feet of tubing would let you look out the door and see bubbles.

 

the "30 feet" was someone else's idea, not mine. however, if we are talking about the "old fashion method" unless one had 30' arms, he couldn't tighten the bleeder screw while fluid was being expelled after the air was out, insuring that air would not re-enter the system....

 

The post was about the SpeedBleeders with the one way valve. After reading your original post I took it as tongue in check, you only need to use enough tubing to see it out the passenger door.

 

I haven't used these yet, but my impression was that you could just get your one-man butt out of the car to go check the tubing. If the speed bleeder valve closes when you let up on the pedal, then there should be little change in what you see compared to what a helper would.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because one of these days I need to do some brake work.

 

You have it right. It is just a spring loaded check ball that lets fluid out but won't let air go back in. They work great and most people like 'em.

 

Wow. Mr. Mailman, I am impressed. Your grammar skills are kinda lacking, but your vocabulary is pretty impressive. You're not quite using some of the words properly, but none the less, you've elicited your desired response form the C4 tech crowd.

Anyway, here's a technical explanation of why you can use clear plastic tubing, or surgical tubing, to do this job with 1 person. I'll try to use big words, but gimmie a break if I use some little ones.

Ok, first things first. If you've got someone watching the bleeding process from under the car, how do they know all the air is out of the system? You said you could bleed the system all night long with a speed bleeder and still not know the air was out of the system. How does the spotter know all the air is out? Can they see through the caliper, into the brake line, and eventually back to reservoir? No they can't. So whatever means that was trapping air in the system when you were bleeding with the speed bleeder would also fool your spotter. All the spotter can confirm is that a constant stream of fluid is leaving the bleed screw. If air is trapped elsewhere in the system, and the fluid is somehow bypassing it, your spotter is worthless.

If you attach one end of clear surgical tubing to a speed bleeder, and submerge the other end in brake fluid, you have created a sealed system inside the hose. With a speed bleeder, you can not release fluid (or air) from the caliper without pressing the brake pedal. The speed bleeders are a 1 way valve. Attach your clear surgical tube, submerge the other end, and depress the brake pedal 1 time. Exit the car and look at the tubing. If there was any air in the system, it must of traveled through the tubing, to reach the container, where it would rise to the top and vanish. However, if the air did not reach the container, if it was in the tube when you released the brake, the air bubble will still be visible in the tube. It will not move. The fluid in the tube can not move with the bleed screw closed and the other end of the tube submerged.

If you have an air free tube, you have accomplished the same thing as your spotter could of. You have ensured there is a solid stream of fluid exiting the caliper.

FWIW, a non-organic anomaly is a rarity that would entail a substance that is non-carbon based. Human beings are carbon based, so they are not capable of a 'non-organic' anomaly. I don't know about brake fluid being carbon based, but I don't really see how brake fluid operating inside a braking system could be considered rare, so that discounts the brake fluid as being the 'non-organic anomaly.' The speed bleeder itself could be the non-organic anomaly, but I don't see how the speed bleeder could cause symptoms.

Anyway, I applaud your effort, but you're defending your position with large words and ignorance passed off as intelligence. When someone sarcastically makes a comment about 30 feet of tubing, and your response is, "You would really do that? That's absurd." all you're doing is showing that you lack the intelligence to respond to the intent of the post. The intent was sarcastic, it was not meant to be taken literally. Using large words to refute the literal meaning of someone's sarcastic post, in some attempt to promote your own intelligence, is kinda comical. In my mind, all you've shown is that you lack the ability to see the poster's sarcasm. You're not smart enough to understand it. It's really kind of ironic, trying to defend your incredible intellect, only to make yourself appear super duper dumb, lol.

Anyway, good game dude. Spend some more time in English class, maybe a trip or 2 to the public library, and gimmie a holla' when you need a hand bleeding your brakes.

 

humn.......

 

ya missed it too. i am refering to watching the air bubbles come out WHILE pumping the brake.

getting out of the car to walk around to the right side wheel being bled, all you will see is the hose and brake fluid in a container....no evidence that while you were pressing the brake , in it's least, air did or did not expell from the line and that al of it is out.

 

yes, it is however, please tell me HOW you can determine at what point all of the air is out of the line unless you are actually watching it while it is happening and when/if it gets to that point with only the fluid being expelled and no more air, tightening the bleeder screw.