failed emissions again... suggestions?
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Racer
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From: Canton GA
CFI-EFI is right...
In fact, on one of my emissions test the allowables changed depending on weather he punched in a 1985 Auto or a 1985 manual!! I caught it as I was leaving and he had to retest it... still failed tho. lol
In fact, on one of my emissions test the allowables changed depending on weather he punched in a 1985 Auto or a 1985 manual!! I caught it as I was leaving and he had to retest it... still failed tho. lol
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From: SIMSBURY CT
St. Jude Donor '07 thru '25
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
Not just Georgia. These are federal EPA numbers; not Georgia's, not Utah's, and not Connecticut's. Check! You will find that Connecticut has different limits for different years. Look at the different standards for my truck and my car.
Thrak posted 152 ppm HCs as the limit for the high speed test and 157 ppm as the limit for the idle test. Your NEW number of 88 is 58% of Thrak's high speed test, and 56% of his idle test limits. NOT less than one half of one percent of my limits.
"Anyway, the original point, and only point, is that the levels here are much stricter than Georgia.". I don't even believe THAT. I don't know the standards for either state, but I'll bet you're wrong. I WILL agree that the standards for his 1985 are not as strict as they are for your 1989.
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Thrak posted 152 ppm HCs as the limit for the high speed test and 157 ppm as the limit for the idle test. Your NEW number of 88 is 58% of Thrak's high speed test, and 56% of his idle test limits. NOT less than one half of one percent of my limits.
"Anyway, the original point, and only point, is that the levels here are much stricter than Georgia.". I don't even believe THAT. I don't know the standards for either state, but I'll bet you're wrong. I WILL agree that the standards for his 1985 are not as strict as they are for your 1989.
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Racer
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From: Canton GA
ummm... does anyone have a picture of what a cat is supposed to look like inside?
Mine has like nothing in it.. just totally hollow, except for a tube going across it that is all white, which I think is from the AIR pump.
Maybe THIS is why I'm failing lol... still doesnt explain the black tho... maybe something is leaking on it and being burned off... leaky tailshaft? eh.. thats another thread lol
Mine has like nothing in it.. just totally hollow, except for a tube going across it that is all white, which I think is from the AIR pump.
Maybe THIS is why I'm failing lol... still doesnt explain the black tho... maybe something is leaking on it and being burned off... leaky tailshaft? eh.. thats another thread lol
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Either somebody "punched" the cat or it just disintigrated and went through the mufflers. The black soot is normal, the engine is designed to run rich for performance and drivability, and the cat cleans it up. Auto Zone has a good direct replacement for about $150
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From: The Top of Utah
Originally Posted by CTYANK2
OK, if I understand your comments, are you saying for example that the exact same car (an 84, 89 or whatever) will face the same emission criteria in all states where an emission test would be required? (except California and a couple of other states that adopted the California criteria.)
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I need to check, but there are 5 states that are now following California style emissions standards.
After CA, it's NY, Maine, CT and I don't remember the other.
These standards are so tough, diesel engined cars can NOT be sold in these states. This started in 2004 or 2005, I don't remember. This means we can not buy Mercedes or VW diesels until they meet the new CARB based standards. VW diesels haven't been sold here in a couple of years, and if I went to AZ to buy one, I could not tag it here.
It has to be made before the ban.
I am not kidding.
As for the smog limits, I am pretty sure they are effected, but I will have to check the numbers. That 88ppm seems low. When I had my 92 smogged a couple of years back, the numbers were about the same as what Delaware required.
After CA, it's NY, Maine, CT and I don't remember the other.
These standards are so tough, diesel engined cars can NOT be sold in these states. This started in 2004 or 2005, I don't remember. This means we can not buy Mercedes or VW diesels until they meet the new CARB based standards. VW diesels haven't been sold here in a couple of years, and if I went to AZ to buy one, I could not tag it here.
It has to be made before the ban.
I am not kidding.
As for the smog limits, I am pretty sure they are effected, but I will have to check the numbers. That 88ppm seems low. When I had my 92 smogged a couple of years back, the numbers were about the same as what Delaware required.
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No computer controlled engine is designed to run rich (or lean). The CAT works as long as there is a 14.7 to one mix. Richen it up, and you overheat the CAT. At 1500 degrees, it falls apart. Put raw fuel in it, and the car can burn to the ground. If there's a rich condition, fix it before you put on a new CAT or you'll be replacing it (again) at your next emissions test.
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From: San Jose Pat Tillman - American Hero
Originally Posted by bogus
I need to check, but there are 5 states that are now following California style emissions standards.
After CA, it's NY, Maine, CT and I don't remember the other.
These standards are so tough, diesel engined cars can NOT be sold in these states. This started in 2004 or 2005, I don't remember. This means we can not buy Mercedes or VW diesels until they meet the new CARB based standards. VW diesels haven't been sold here in a couple of years, and if I went to AZ to buy one, I could not tag it here.
It has to be made before the ban.
I am not kidding.
As for the smog limits, I am pretty sure they are effected, but I will have to check the numbers. That 88ppm seems low. When I had my 92 smogged a couple of years back, the numbers were about the same as what Delaware required.
After CA, it's NY, Maine, CT and I don't remember the other.
These standards are so tough, diesel engined cars can NOT be sold in these states. This started in 2004 or 2005, I don't remember. This means we can not buy Mercedes or VW diesels until they meet the new CARB based standards. VW diesels haven't been sold here in a couple of years, and if I went to AZ to buy one, I could not tag it here.
It has to be made before the ban.
I am not kidding.
As for the smog limits, I am pretty sure they are effected, but I will have to check the numbers. That 88ppm seems low. When I had my 92 smogged a couple of years back, the numbers were about the same as what Delaware required.
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From: SIMSBURY CT
St. Jude Donor '07 thru '25
Originally Posted by bogus
As for the smog limits, I am pretty sure they are effected, but I will have to check the numbers. That 88ppm seems low. When I had my 92 smogged a couple of years back, the numbers were about the same as what Delaware required.
I had those tests conducted at three different emission stations. (yea, I failed several times 
) The guys doing the test said the test software was updated in 2005 and one guy told me he was seeing a lot of cars getting the sniffer test failing (like mine). The updated software versions are indicated on the forms with different numbers. CT did adopt California rules but I think that is only on newer cars. Who knows....
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Racer
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From: Canton GA
GOOD NEWS!!! IT PASSSED!!!
New cat did the job, in fact, it REALLY did the job...
HC went from 134 to 40!
CO% (the one I kept failing) went from 1.85 to .04!!!!
NOx went from 421 to 5!
I'm soooo happy!! Thanks for everyones help!!!!
New cat did the job, in fact, it REALLY did the job...
HC went from 134 to 40!
CO% (the one I kept failing) went from 1.85 to .04!!!!
NOx went from 421 to 5!
I'm soooo happy!! Thanks for everyones help!!!!
