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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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My car is not getting fouth gear. Is there any test I can do to find out if it is the 3-4 clutch pack?
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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Is it slipping in 4th? Or will it not shift at all to 4th gear?
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Hey thanks, no fourth at all.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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If it jumps directly to 4th and the engine revs to the moon, it is a 3-4 clutch pack. If it will not shift out of third, it could be in the valve body.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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Thanks Pete! It won't shift into fourth at all. It sometimes shifts normally from one, two, and then third and won't hit fourth. Sometimes it gets stuck in first and I shift to N then to OD and it's in second. Also sometimes I take off slowly and it waits till 2500 RPM to shift into second, snapping my neck a little.

I was hoping I could fix this without pulling the trans. so am trying to find out what the problem is.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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If is not slipping, the valve body is likely where the problem is.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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There is an additive that will make the fluid more slippery. This helps to unbind the valves and sleeves that can cause this problem. I know my description is vague but shortly after overhaul my A4 started doing the same thing. The shop added this product and the problem stopped immediately and has never returned.

Goto a NAPA store and ask for the transmission addititive. Comes in a black or red bottle. No kidding, its synthetic sperm whale oil. I'm sure someone will chime in with the product name soon enough.

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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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It's sticking and not blown up? Slipping, like reving up in gear? It hasn't done that at all, it just doesn't shift to fourth ever and has trouble from 1 to 2 occasionally.
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Sometimes trash(worn clutch material and other debris) gets caught up in the valve body passages, hanging up valves. I would pick up a new seperator plate from the dealer, an upper and lower valve body gaskets, 3 cans of carb cleaner, filter and pan gasket and 5 qts of fluid. Drop the pan, drop the valve body, completely disassemble it, spit shine the valves and passages and reassemble. All labor, not much in parts.
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OK thanks, I will do that and report back.
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I tried the Seafoam trans. flush and changing the fluid but there is no change. I'm going to drop the pan this weekend, I have all those parts ready. What should I look for if the 3/4 pack is damaged?

Right now there is no fourth gear. When the engine is not under load the RPM drops like the trans. is in N.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 01:54 AM
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Let me know what you find out.
My car does EXACTLY the same thing.
No 4th, just like coasting when you let off the throtle
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OK

What does your ATF look like? Mine has a lot of brown sediment in it. The clutch pack got used up. I'll be pulling the pan this weekend.
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Probably no help at all but does anyone remember the thread very similar to this one where the problem turned out to be that a TH350 had been put in the car

OP-Help my car wont go into 4th gear
Response- You dont have a 4th gear
OP-Oh
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I've had the car a few years and it's had fourth.

I talked to Pete K and called a few local places to, it's gonna need a rebuild.
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My Fluid looks OK .
I didn't have a problem going into 4 th untill I changed my engine (bigger).
The car was down for about 2 months.
After the new engine install, it would have delayed shifting in all gears. But, When it warmed up it would shift fine. Now after about 1000 miles, it will not go into forth.
1-3 work fine but are still delayed untill hot?
When I say delayed, I mean excessive RPM required befor shifting.
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Originally Posted by BLWN BUX
My Fluid looks OK .
I didn't have a problem going into 4 th untill I changed my engine (bigger).
The car was down for about 2 months.
After the new engine install, it would have delayed shifting in all gears. But, When it warmed up it would shift fine. Now after about 1000 miles, it will not go into forth.
1-3 work fine but are still delayed untill hot?
When I say delayed, I mean excessive RPM required before shifting.
Any time shift timing or shift quality are poor, tv system is the #1 problem. Persue it first. If it is a simple adjustment, or a binding/damaged cable. It could be a free ot $25 fix. Adjust it, check for smooth,steady cable movement and put a guage on the trans to check it.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
I tried the Seafoam trans. flush and changing the fluid but there is no change. I'm going to drop the pan this weekend, I have all those parts ready. What should I look for if the 3/4 pack is damaged?

Right now there is no fourth gear. When the engine is not under load the RPM drops like the trans. is in N.
Updating some threads from this after getting the time to work on things.

After driving the car some more with the flush, fourth gear came back.
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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
Updating some threads from this after getting the time to work on things.

After driving the car some more with the flush, fourth gear came back.
You do understand that the 3/4 clutch pack means that it controls 3rd and 4th gear. If you have 3rd gear you can pretty much quit looking at the 3/4 clutch pack. If you lose the 3/4 clutch pack you would pretty much lose 3rd and 4th gear.
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