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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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What size rotors can I put on my 93 vette. I have alot of break fade. and do I need to go to a larger wheel?
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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What are you doing with the car?
Do you have the J55 brakes?
What pad compound are you using now?
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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First, welcome to the club. Brakes are a big topic and you can get everything you need to know here to have a properly functioning and safe system.

Your choice is to stay stock with 12" rotors and pads, go to J55 Heavy Duty 13" front rotors and calipers or C5 front rotors, calipers and pads.
The C5 upgrade will not fit behind sawblades (stock wheels).

How many miles are on your car? Do you plan to auto-cross/drive the heck out of it? Is this a DIY thing? What's the budget? You ask a simple question and get this...but that's why the Corvette Forum is so great. You have the experience and guidance of many thousands of owners that have done almost everything to these cars.

You might just need new pads and good brake fluid flush. If you want to send your eyeballs through the windshield we can make that happen, just get the wallet loosened up.

Welcome to the C4 group therapy/support network!

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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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Not sure what I have now. I think I have 12 inch. My baby has 126,000 on her. She`s still tight and strong. There is alot I want to do to her . I`m very lucky to live 10 miles from Ecklers. I want to get into auto cross.
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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I would first make sure everything on the car currently is up to spec and working correctly. After that the cheapest alternative I know of is to upgrade to the 13" C4 brakes. I thought it was option JL9 but appearently it is J55 from what has already been mentioned. That is a good system and it works very well.

Couple other suggestions if you do upgrade. Cross drilled rotors are for show only, they offer nothing over a blank rotor. If anything they are worse because they are prone to heat cracking. Slotted rotors are ok. I like to use Valvoline Synpower brake fluid because it is readily availible at autozone and it works very well. It is also not terribly expensive. For brake pads I like Hawk HPS pads. They are a good street pad with nice grip and low dusting. If you get serious on a track you may need to get a more aggressive pad though.

First things first though, get that current system up to par.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ram Air Formula
I would first make sure everything on the car currently is up to spec and working correctly. After that the cheapest alternative I know of is to upgrade to the 13" C4 brakes. I thought it was option JL9 but appearently it is J55 from what has already been mentioned. That is a good system and it works very well.

Couple other suggestions if you do upgrade. Cross drilled rotors are for show only, they offer nothing over a blank rotor. If anything they are worse because they are prone to heat cracking. Slotted rotors are ok. I like to use Valvoline Synpower brake fluid because it is readily availible at autozone and it works very well. It is also not terribly expensive. For brake pads I like Hawk HPS pads. They are a good street pad with nice grip and low dusting. If you get serious on a track you may need to get a more aggressive pad though.

First things first though, get that current system up to par.
This is good advice, follow it to start with. Unless you're really pushing the car hard on a road course the stock brakes with good pads and fluid are more than enough.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 06:46 AM
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Good info so far. I recently did a J55 brake upgrade and am real happy. I had poor breaking or what you might call brake fade. Spare you the details but worked on the system and changed many things thinking the 12’’ brakes just couldn’t be that bad, but they are.

The increase in performance on the J55 was tremendous, more than I expected. The car stops really well now and also did the DRM bias spring replacement.
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The size of the rotors (13" vs 12") is meaningful, but a good compound in the pad is also very important. I have the J-55's and tried several pad and rotor combinations. What I'm using now is flat great.
13" Power slots and Hawk hps.

I think the key is the rotor AND pad combination.
Good luck.
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Can I keep the stock wheels or do I need to go larger if I go to a 13" rotor.
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The J55 HD setup works fine with stock 17" wheels. You will need the rotors, calipers, brackets and pads to switch. I suggest new stainless brake lines all around while the wheels and calipers are off too.
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Originally Posted by tlong
The J55 HD setup works fine with stock 17" wheels. You will need the rotors, calipers, brackets and pads to switch. I suggest new stainless brake lines all around while the wheels and calipers are off too.
Where do people get the brackets? I've seen the rotors and rebuilt calipers all over the place but not the brackets.
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Originally Posted by smearig
Where do people get the brackets? I've seen the rotors and rebuilt calipers all over the place but not the brackets.

Lots of info and links here:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1587128

including something about the brackets.
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Originally Posted by jrzvette
Lots of info and links here:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1587128

including something about the brackets.
That was about the C5/Z06 conversions. I'm just talking about taking a 12" C4 system to the J-55 13" system.
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Originally Posted by smearig
That was about the C5/Z06 conversions. I'm just talking about taking a 12" C4 system to the J-55 13" system.
I think mid america has the brackets. I got mine from them a few months ago.
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Originally Posted by 90Z51
I think mid america has the brackets. I got mine from them a few months ago.
Thanks, I'll check with them.

Edit: Ouch! They want $67 each just for the brackets.

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It wasn't that long ago that the dealer still had all these parts. Have you tried them by chance? $67 may seem like a lot but if you go look at Baer's track kit, which is the J55 brakes with nicer rotors and a Baer engraved caliper, you'll think $67 isn't so bad.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 11:37 AM
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The relative low cost for the rest of the stuff offsets that. I would consider the GS black calipers with CORVETTE across them. They are $285. Rotors about 200-250, brackets $60 pads $100-$150. It will look fantastic and stop great. I would think this is the high side. There are kits that are around $800 with everything.

Used prices would be half of that.
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Originally Posted by elefkow
The size of the rotors (13" vs 12") is meaningful, but a good compound in the pad is also very important. I have the J-55's and tried several pad and rotor combinations. What I'm using now is flat great.
13" Power slots and Hawk hps.

I think the key is the rotor AND pad combination.
Good luck.
You're better off going with the C5 upgrade for an auto-x application. it will keep your rotor size smaller but the pad contact area will increase quite a bit. There was a post on it earlier but I can't seem to find it. If you are serious about your auto-x then you will want to go with the C5 kit by far. I used to drive in formula SAE and used to auto-x alot in both that car and my old Prelude. Brakes and suspension and keeping your car in its power band is EVERYTHING in a road coarse. Off topic in a way is also you will want the R&D x-frame brace to keep your body from flexing at all. Doesn't matter how good your suspension components are if your body twists like a hoola dancer.

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I have a set of adapters to go from c4 to c5 if anyone needs them.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1594994

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Originally Posted by teufelhund
You're better off going with the C5 upgrade for an auto-x application. it will keep your rotor size smaller but the pad contact area will increase quite a bit. There was a post on it earlier but I can't seem to find it. If you are serious about your auto-x then you will want to go with the C5 kit by far. I used to drive in formula SAE and used to auto-x alot in both that car and my old Prelude. Brakes and suspension and keeping your car in its power band is EVERYTHING in a road coarse. Off topic in a way is also you will want the R&D x-frame brace to keep your body from flexing at all. Doesn't matter how good your suspension components are if your body twists like a hoola dancer.

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If you want to auto-x alot I would definately stay away from the C5 kit. Unless you have at least a roll bar and 550hp The C5 kit will put you in a class that will render you rather un-competitive. The J55 or GS brakes work very well and with Hawk DTC-70's they didnt' fade on me until about 2000 degrees(orangish-redish glow) and will let you stay in a class that will let you run a bit closer to some of the other guys. I dont think the hawk 70's are a great all around choice I was just using that as an example.In NCCC ans SCCA They allow in some calsses to update and backdate within your generation. If that isn't a priority the C5 kit has worked well for some people that we race with. Good luck

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