which low temp fan switch to get
Drifting
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Kool, you sound like a nice guy, but your concept is totally backwards. Yes, the coolant in the radiator is cold in the morning...just like the coolant in the block...the valve (thermostat is closed), the engine becomes something like a burner on the stove heating a pot full of water, what do you think would happen to the pot full of water if you took a hose, turned the valve on (opened the thermostat) and started pouring in cold water, obviously it would take longer to heat the water!
have a nice day, and just think about it.
have a nice day, and just think about it.
Drifting
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I have no response to the other two members. Except,don't get all upset over minor differences.
P.S.
A forum is a medium of open discussion or expression of ideas. It is intended to encourage intellectual debate. It is not intended to be a school or a place that creates adversaries. You should not be upset simply because someone disagrees with your ideas, opinions or theories. Some of you are acting foolish by posting nonsense. You expect others to appreciate this childish behavior. No one is impressed by silly posts. Only a little child reacts with anger when he or she does not get praise for being foolish.
PEACE OUT!
P.S.
A forum is a medium of open discussion or expression of ideas. It is intended to encourage intellectual debate. It is not intended to be a school or a place that creates adversaries. You should not be upset simply because someone disagrees with your ideas, opinions or theories. Some of you are acting foolish by posting nonsense. You expect others to appreciate this childish behavior. No one is impressed by silly posts. Only a little child reacts with anger when he or she does not get praise for being foolish.
PEACE OUT!
Last edited by Kool88vette; Jun 16, 2007 at 10:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
P.S.
A forum is a medium of open discussion or expression of ideas. It is intended to encourage intellecual debate. It is not intended to be a school or a place that creates adversaries.
A forum is a medium of open discussion or expression of ideas. It is intended to encourage intellecual debate. It is not intended to be a school or a place that creates adversaries.
RACE ON!!!
Drifting
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I'm sure you two consider this to be intellectual. It is beyond your comprehension how to behave as mature adults. It sad, you think this nonsense is funny but everyone is laughing at your silly behavior not your stupid hippos. Kevin, can you tell us how old you are?
Last edited by Kool88vette; Jun 16, 2007 at 10:53 PM.
Drifting
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This appears to be YOU taking others to school about what a forum is and how "It is not intended to be a school or a place that creates adversaries.". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Once again I have to [I]ADVICE that you follow your own ADVISE[/I]. And how can we have an "intellecual (sic) debate" when the party that interrupts a thread, with not one word on the subject, to "advice", "Just wanted you to know the correct spelling is Ad nauseam.", doesn't himself have the intellect to spell intellectual??? Talk about your hypocrites!
RACE ON!!!
RACE ON!!!
This statement is backwards. Once again I have to ADVICE that you follow your own ADVISE
Well I've got better things to do. See you guys later. PEACE OUT!
Last edited by Kool88vette; Jun 16, 2007 at 11:12 PM.
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Drifting
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I think EFI made a mistake. He was not mocking anything. And I'm not pissed about anything. Your hippos are very silly!
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Drifting
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Drifting
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QUOTE=Kool88vette
To GM and the average person 1 or 2 HP is insignificant.
In later years GM had to control emissions so they ran them even hotter.
If GM produced an engine that was reliable and lasted a million miles they would lose business. It would increase the price and their dealerships would have less service.
Millions of people live in cold areas and want cars with good heaters.
Also, keep in mind that anyone can post anything on the internet.
The source is the website itself. It is an advertisement Also Know As BS.
[/U]And what temp thermostats are you selling?[/I]
None.
If you install a 160 thermostat it opens sooner and allows the coolant from the radiator into the engine. The coolant that has been sitting in the radiator all night is cold. Very cold if you live in a frigid area. That cold coolant gets into the engine sooner and lowers the temp.
[INDENT][I]Thermostats don't swing open at 160 like your mouth does on a coolant temp thread. [I]
This is the only accurate statement that you have made in this post.
To GM and the average person 1 or 2 HP is insignificant.
Depends on how much that 1 or 2 hp costs. If it was only $4, then it would be significant.
GM cannot put any thermostat it wants in any car. It's regulated:The entire article is available at: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/...y-24/a110c.htmA 160 vs. 195 stat has no effect on how long it takes the engine to reach 160.
True but if they installed a 160 thermostat the minumum operating temp would be lower and the heater would produce less heat. Get your engine to 220 degrees and turn on the heater. Place your hand over the heater vent. Now try the same thing when the coolant is at 160. A hotter engine will produce more heat. You should know that. There are millions of homes and businesses around this country heated by hot water at temps well below 160F. The heater core in the vette was designed for a 195 stat. GM could also design one for a 160 stat if they were so inclined
Wrong, the feds have been regulating emissions for decades. That includes engine temps and thermostats see: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/...y-24/a110c.htm In later years GM had to control emissions so they ran them even hotter.
Source? When did the thermostat ratings increase?
I'm not sure
I'm not sure
Source?
I don't have any info that dates back to the 80s but I know that the Feds have been regulating engine temps and emissions for decades. The entire article is available at: http://<b>http://www.epa.gov/fedrgst.../a110c.htm</b>If GM produced an engine that was reliable and lasted a million miles they would lose business. It would increase the price and their dealerships would have less service.
GM makes the cars crappy on purpose? 
I'd say losing market share to imports is what loses business.
No, if they made an engine that was equivalent to a Mercedes the price would increase. Their target maket is the average person. Go study marketing. I'd say losing market share to imports is what loses business.Millions of people live in cold areas and want cars with good heaters.
So I guess they accidently designed this tiny heater core, and the only way to make it work was boost the coolant temp?
I'm sure that more than that factor came into review. Also, keep in mind that anyone can post anything on the internet.
It's a shame really, and the ones that really lose are those that read your posts.
About half of everything on the internet is not accurate information. I think you just single-handedly drove that average down to 45% with all your fabricated bullsh*t.
Wrong, you know a few things about cars but you post BS all the time. That graph that keeps getting posted is from someone trying to sell you a 180 thermostat.The source is the website itself. It is an advertisement Also Know As BS.
[/U]And what temp thermostats are you selling?[/I]
None.
If you install a 160 thermostat it opens sooner and allows the coolant from the radiator into the engine. The coolant that has been sitting in the radiator all night is cold. Very cold if you live in a frigid area. That cold coolant gets into the engine sooner and lowers the temp.
[INDENT][I]Thermostats don't swing open at 160 like your mouth does on a coolant temp thread. [I]
This is the only accurate statement that you have made in this post.
I'll believe it when I see it. Along with something to backup all your professed facts on GM design criteria and engine operating temperatures.
See it and believe it at: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/...y-24/a110c.htmLast edited by Kool88vette; Jun 17, 2007 at 04:07 PM.
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I provided a place for you to look and inform yourself. I said I wasn't going to argue the point and therefore, yes, I provided no solid evidence, and I proved nothing. I STILL am not going to argue the point. Those arguments are in the archives. If you don't care to seek out the knowledge, it's your loss. It is going to be awfully tough for someone, with all your back yard experience, that knows everything, to learn ANYTHING.
i`m not sure what you are talking about... what "place" did you provide???
if you posted a link to something credible, then by all means, put a link to it up here.... dont tell me to start digging through this forum, trying to find something you may have posted, who knows when, or where..
certainly wasnt in this thread, or the last Coolant related thread we were in....
if you have it POST IT HERE......
And when the engineers of the world start breaking down your door for your superior thermal knowledge, I will come back and talk to you. In the meantime, good luck operating in that fog of fantasy you have created for yourself.
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A turbo II in that Lebaron? I had a turbo Dodge for awhile, 13's was not a problem. Have you seen what Gary did with with an old K-car? 10's with the same engine.
http://thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html
I was shooting for 12's with something like the Super 60 setup. I had a lot of fun with that car.
http://thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html
I was shooting for 12's with something like the Super 60 setup. I had a lot of fun with that car.
Racer
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A turbo II in that Lebaron? I had a turbo Dodge for awhile, 13's was not a problem. Have you seen what Gary did with with an old K-car? 10's with the same engine.
http://thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html
I was shooting for 12's with something like the Super 60 setup. I had a lot of fun with that car.
http://thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html
I was shooting for 12's with something like the Super 60 setup. I had a lot of fun with that car.
too bad he closed up Relentless Performance...
these cars are a real blast!
yeah mine was a T-1 2.5 auto, converted to T-II .
a friend of mine parted out an 89 GTC TII. i got the Garret turbo, intercooler/radiator asy., airbox, ect. for a couple hundred dollars.
ported my own head and exh. manifold, and got a 3-bar calibration from Cindy at FWD....
i think i`m gonna sell it though, a freind of mine is wanting it pretty badly, and i just dont have the time for all my car/truck projects like used to, so i`m getting rid of some of them...
