RE: 86 Fuel system
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I'm glad it's fixed. Too bad you may have wasted money on fuel injectors. Any time you buy parts with your fingers crossed, you are throwing money at it. You can "maintenance justify" yourself into a complete new car...One Piece at a Time (with apologies to Johnny Cash).
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I'm glad it's fixed. Too bad you may have wasted money on fuel injectors. Any time you buy parts with your fingers crossed, you are throwing money at it. You can "maintenance justify" yourself into a complete new car...One Piece at a Time (with apologies to Johnny Cash).
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Checked fuel pressure good at 40 lbs
chacked distributor rotor - good
plugs for spark - good
fuel pump relay new
GM tester code 12 - no issues
Vacuum lines in good order
changed fuel injectors about three weeks ago (leaky injector)
checked fuses - good
So can anyone give me some insight on this issue
Thanks,
Manny
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Do you still get fuel pressure with the key on?
Does it hold for a bit?
Sounds like it's backfiring through the intake. Did you loosen the dist any when doing testing?
Have you disconnected the MAF to see if it will run on it's own?
What is the TPS set at?
The SES light on?
Does it hold for a bit?
Sounds like it's backfiring through the intake. Did you loosen the dist any when doing testing?
Have you disconnected the MAF to see if it will run on it's own?
What is the TPS set at?
The SES light on?
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You need to check that FP with the car running.
If you can, tape the gauge to your windshield and drive around and see what happens.
report back the findings
Im leaning towards either the Fuel Pump/Sock or the pulsator
If you can, tape the gauge to your windshield and drive around and see what happens.
report back the findings
Im leaning towards either the Fuel Pump/Sock or the pulsator
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I have an 86e with the very same problem.
I checked the fuel pressure with a gauge, and the fuel was bleeding off right away. I removed the fuel pump from the tank, and changed the pulsator, and the sock. I changed the sock on the pump, and when I grasped it, prior to changing it, it crumbled like paper.
the pulsator is from a 90, and it was better for a while.
I changed the quantity sender to a 90, and reassembled it with a new ground wire, new gasket.
I changed the FP regulator because I thought it was that, I put a holley one on it.
it might soon have been that because the red silicone rubber was delaminating from the glass cloth of the diaphragm.
I changed the fuel pump relay because the prime fuel was not present after the 2 second prime sequence. I had power at the relay terminals.
I changed the injectors last year, I also changed the manifold, heads, runners, and plenum. it was an engine upgrade.
It still bled down.
The gauge seemed to fluctuate a lot at idle, and dipped below 40 psi when goosing the throttle.
UPDATE:
Changing the fuel pump has helped immensely. The car runs better, and the fuel doesn't seem to drain back to the tank.
After the pump change, the needle is steady at idle, and when the throttle is moved rapidly, the fuel pressure does not go down, but increases 2-3 psi, then rises to 45, then settles down at 39 PSI.
The cat seems to run cooler.
There is no hot hot hot smell coming from under the car.
The car idles smoother, and when the throttle is closed rapidly, the engine does not die.
When starting it cold, the starter cranks a little longer than an instant start, but no where near the full minute it ws doing before.
The acceleration is better as well.
I checked the fuel pressure with a gauge, and the fuel was bleeding off right away. I removed the fuel pump from the tank, and changed the pulsator, and the sock. I changed the sock on the pump, and when I grasped it, prior to changing it, it crumbled like paper.
the pulsator is from a 90, and it was better for a while.
I changed the quantity sender to a 90, and reassembled it with a new ground wire, new gasket.
I changed the FP regulator because I thought it was that, I put a holley one on it.
it might soon have been that because the red silicone rubber was delaminating from the glass cloth of the diaphragm.
I changed the fuel pump relay because the prime fuel was not present after the 2 second prime sequence. I had power at the relay terminals.
I changed the injectors last year, I also changed the manifold, heads, runners, and plenum. it was an engine upgrade.
It still bled down.
The gauge seemed to fluctuate a lot at idle, and dipped below 40 psi when goosing the throttle.
UPDATE:
Changing the fuel pump has helped immensely. The car runs better, and the fuel doesn't seem to drain back to the tank.
After the pump change, the needle is steady at idle, and when the throttle is moved rapidly, the fuel pressure does not go down, but increases 2-3 psi, then rises to 45, then settles down at 39 PSI.
The cat seems to run cooler.
There is no hot hot hot smell coming from under the car.
The car idles smoother, and when the throttle is closed rapidly, the engine does not die.
When starting it cold, the starter cranks a little longer than an instant start, but no where near the full minute it ws doing before.
The acceleration is better as well.
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The pump comes straight through the TOP of the tank. Remove the fuel door and rubber boot and you will see the bolts holding the pump/gauge sender unit to the tank. Remove hoses and wiring and carefully pull the unit out.
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Thanks, what about the fuel thats in the tank, I would hate to have a problem there? Shall I drain the tank?
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Originally Posted by senorv47
I was looking in the FSM and it a heck of the procedure to pull the tank! Any other suggestions out there?
Once again, I have to preach not to throw money or parts at it. It is possible the check valve is causing the fuel system to lose pressure when you shut the engine off. Do you still have that problem? I didn't notice where you said you did since you fixed the leak at the cold start injector.
A leaky check valve won't make the engine die. When the engine is running, the fuel is all flowing OUT of the tank. The check valve only prevents the fuel from returning, when the pump is off. All your previous posts have indicated good fuel pressure. Before you throw money at a possibly unneeded fuel pump, TEST it. Put a pressure gauge on it and go for a drive.
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Check a different section of your FSM. You wouldn't look up how to pull the engine to change the spark plugs.
Once again, I have to preach not to throw money or parts at it. It is possible the check valve is causing the fuel system to lose pressure when you shut the engine off. Do you still have that problem? I didn't notice where you said you did since you fixed the leak at the cold start injector.
A leaky check valve won't make the engine die. When the engine is running, the fuel is all flowing OUT of the tank. The check valve only prevents the fuel from returning, when the pump is off. All your previous posts have indicated good fuel pressure. Before you throw money at a possibly unneeded fuel pump, TEST it. Put a pressure gauge on it and go for a drive.
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Once again, I have to preach not to throw money or parts at it. It is possible the check valve is causing the fuel system to lose pressure when you shut the engine off. Do you still have that problem? I didn't notice where you said you did since you fixed the leak at the cold start injector.
A leaky check valve won't make the engine die. When the engine is running, the fuel is all flowing OUT of the tank. The check valve only prevents the fuel from returning, when the pump is off. All your previous posts have indicated good fuel pressure. Before you throw money at a possibly unneeded fuel pump, TEST it. Put a pressure gauge on it and go for a drive.
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last Thursday I stopped for lunch and came out that the car started then died, it won't idle and is popping through the throttle body. I had to tow the car back to the house (bout a mile luckly) Heres what I checked when I got it home:
Checked fuel pressure good at 40 lbs (still drains down in 3 seconds)
checked distributor rotor - good
plugs for spark - good
fuel pump relay new
GM tester code 12 - no issues
Vacuum lines in good order
changed fuel injectors about three weeks ago (leaky injector)
checked fuses - good
But it still sputters and dies when I start it.
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My fuel pressure dropped like a rock, it was the pulse damper above fuel pump that caused it. A piece of fuel injection hose and 2 clamps and now my pressure holds for hours.
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