So would I be looking for something like this? Or is that not seperate? If not then it doesn't look like MB Quart has any seperate 6x9's listed on their website... What's the difference between coaxial and triaxial?

Also I didn't see any prices on that website...


[Modified by A, 9:51 AM 11/7/2001]

 

Easy does it. Woe boy. Speakers come in three types. Full range, coax/triax/etc, and seperates. Full range speakers produce the entire sound range. This is simple and cheap but it means that a speaker will be trying to make bass at the same time it makes highs. Very difficult and the results sound wise are poor. Think of a TV set speaker for this sound. Next is the coax/triax. These are literally two(coax) or three(triax) speakers in one housing. You will see a small speaker inside and infront of a larger speaker. These are good if you don't want to add additional speaker locations. They sound much better than full range. They are however limited. The smaller speaker(tweeter) blocks some of the sound of the larger one(woofer) behind it. Also, tweeters to sound as good as they can should ususally be positioned in areas you can't fit a coax(high up on a door pannel for example).
The last type is seperates. These are two or more seperate speaker housings with each speaker dedicated to making a certain part of the frequency range. They sound the best, cost the most and usually take much more power to produce the same amout of sound. They are also capable of producing more sound than coax or full range.
The first type stinks so much I would not even consider them. Coax are good if you are on a budget. They will work well with a CD player or tape deck that has its own power. You will not need an external amp. Seperates are best if you are planning to add subs. You will need an external amp to power them. If you don't use seperates and an amp chances are you won't hear anything but bass as the sub will overpower the other speakers. http://www.mmxpress.com has prices on seperates. They have MB quart, Focal, A/D/S and many others. These three brands are among the best. Figure on spending at least $300 a pair for the seperates. The best way to pick which of these is best for you is to listen to them with your own music. This way you will see what sounds best to your personal ear. In this group, I to me the MB comes in last. You will also need to spend at least $400 on an amp to power the seperates front and rear. Seperates do not come in 6x9. You would want 5 1/4 seperates for the front, and 6 1/2 seperates for the rear. If you want to save money, you could get the coax and 6x9 I listed earlier, power them with an amp and it would still sound decent. These are one of the few brands of coax speakers that will meet the challenge well of being amped.
If you just want some good sound now, get the coax and 6x9 with a powered CD. Then upgrade them with an amp when you are ready. Then add the subs. (Subs also take their own amp). Or if you are OK spending the cash and you know you are going to get them anyway, get the seperates and amp and CD and add the subs later. You can start with one set of seperates in the front first, add the subs second, and the second set of seperates last and it will be fine as well. Post if you have any questions about this.
92TripleBlack :cheers:

 

The MB 6x9 won't hold a candle to the Boston 6x9. Boston makes the best coax and triax and MB is good at higher end seperates. I wouldn't get the one you have a link to. The amps you want to get should be in the open and not in a sealed area like inside a compartment. They will overheat and either shutdown or melt something. I like to mount them to a sub box or against the rear of the "trunk area" of the vette. You need to be careful mounting things here though because the gas tank is back there. When you are ready to mount the amps I'll go into detail on how to avoid problems.
92TripleBlack

 

http://www.mmxpress.com/alpine/alpine_cda-7878.htm
Here's the best MP3 player. It does cost more. MP3 is ok but not as good as CD. If you are playing MP3s on a really high end sterio, you could tell the difference. If I were you, I would get a regular CD that will read CD/RW and burn CDs instead. You could get this deck: http://www.mmxpress.com/Pioneer/dehp7300.htm and a CD/RW if you don't have one for $100. It will sound better than MP3 and the deck is much better than the Aiwa. The Aiwa is more gimicky and less quality. The one above is Xm ready, works well with CDRW and has a remote. Great piece.
92TripleBlack

 

All i can say hear is boston accoustics dont hold a candle to MB QUARTS but they are very nice and would be my next choice. :boxing

 

I use pioneer 4 1/2s in the doors and pioneer 4x6s in the dash (both coax). They were walmart specials, but I did not have the time or $$$ to build out a panel to make room for a speaker w/ a descent magnet. The Blows came stock in my car, so I had to cut the dash panel grill to make a hole for the 4x6. There is a ring that is on the opposite side of the panel that you cut along to make a perfect 4x6 hole.

Try to go w/ separates if you can afford it. Boston Acoustics does make excellent coax/triax speakers as well. If you are most concerned about good sound, put 6 1/2" speakers in the back instead of 6x9s. Round speakers have a much more realistic sound quality than oval speakers. You can make your own mounting panel to accomodate the 6 1/2s in the 6x9 hole. Good Luck!!! :cheers:

P.S. - my 4x6s and 4 1/2s are amplified by a kenwood KAC 629 amp (running in parallel to each side - ~75 WRMS per side). You can and should amp all speakers in your system. Not only for the great increase in sound quality, but also because you need to have a high pass crossover running to or on the amp to block out low bass from the mids. This keeps them from distorting and/or blowing. :cheers:


[Modified by dtorc4, 7:05 PM 11/7/2001]

 

Very informative, my thanks to you all!
I do not have a very discriminating ear :nonod: but I'm not quite deaf (yet) either :) I suppose I'm kindof like an average joe at a wine tasting when it comes to this stuff...
I don't have to have the very best or anything, so now that I understand a little bit more, I suppose I'm on a (much!) smaller stereo budget than alot of you :D My ear can distinguish no difference between CD audio and MP3 audio.. so I still want to stick with a MP3 head unit. ~$200 is about my limit for a head unit. I could go a little bit higher i suppose, but once again, I just want something that has a few specific features and sounds pretty good cause 'pretty good' is about all I can distinguish anyway, after that it all sounds the same :).
I'll look for some stuff that seems to meet my specs and my budget and I'll check with you pro guys to make sure its not crap :D In the meantime, keep the recomendations flowing!

Also a question on subs; a friend of mine was saying that instead of getting 2 10's, I should just get 1 12 or 1 15 cause it would sound better :confused: true or false?

 

I found some head units on that website and here are a few that I would consider:
Panasonic: This one seems ok except for it looks kindof odd and I don't like the display... It does have the in-face CD slot though.
Jensen: This one looks a little better, but I don't hear many good comments about Jensen. And for just a few bucks more I could have a...
Kenwood: Other than the whole flip-down face thing, and kinda high price, I like this one.
Rockford: The best looking of the bunch, but kinda underpowered at 40 watts x 4 channels eh? And to boot it does not include a remote, rather there is one available that can be ordered from Rockford Fosgate...

I must have a cool little remote and I must have MP3. I REALLY don't want a flip-down style face. I like the normal style so much better. I had a JBL CD player in my Camaro with a flip-down face and it was absolutely a POS.. I hated that thing so much so I suppose it's more of a psychological thing :) With a ton of songs on MP3, I guess I could live with a flip-down..

Here's a MB Quart seperate set, though I think that's for 1 tweeter and 1 woofer and those would need to be amped, eh? I have a very cheesey set of 5" speakers I could put in the doors until I could get some real ones...

Here's some <A HREF="http://www.mmxpress.com/cerwin/hed-spkrs.htm" TARGET="_blank">Cerwin Vega</A> speakers at some good prices... yea or nay?

Would 6x9 2-ways sound bad? It seems they'd be a bit more affordable.


I don't really wanna go overkill, just "pretty good" :)


[Modified by A, 8:39 PM 11/7/2001]

 

The auto ban mbquarts for 125 are not that great. I paid $300 for my 51/4 seperates 5 years ago. Prices up to like 400 - 500 for the "good" ones but i feel there worth it. Whoever said 1 12 will be louder than 2 10s is wrong. Two 10s will definatly pound harder than 1 12. The quarts only need 50 watts into each set and a 4 channel amp is all you need to run quarts up front and back. Believe me if you heard my system you would definatly hear a big difference over stock by far.

It can be expensive i would say buy all youre amp used, you could piece together a mind blowin system for less than a grand.

 

Hi guys,
As 93aquaConvert said, Bostons don't hold a candle to MB, but only in their seperates line. They make much better lower end stuff than MB and their coax and triax are very hard to beat for the price. The MB higher end stuff is better. I have the higher end boston stuff because I got it for 0$ but I am eventually going to swap it for either Focal(which crushed MB at most major competitions last year) or A/D/S which is my personal favorite up to now. I want to do a sound off test before I buy.
A, It sounds like you would do well with a set of coax and triax from boston with an amp to power them. Say 50Wx4 in size. I like this one personally and as it is very clean and more powerful than most brands rated at 75x4. http://www.mmxpress.com/ads/ads_p450.htm
Subs are a different manner. The smaller you go, the crisper the sound. The larger, the deeper. 10 and 12 are good compromise sizes. 15 is sloppy and 8 doesn't hit the lows enough. One larger sub has less surface area than two smaller and therefore generates less force or power in the sound. This is called SPL or sound pressure level. But two smaller subs need more box than one larger one. I have a single 12, but a pair of 10s would be great. Bottom line is to get a good brand as a good little sub will kick the tail of multiple bigger ones. Figure you'll spend $300 for one but its worth it.
Hope this helps
92TripleBlack
:cheers:

 

The MBs and the cerwins, forget about them. The Boston Coax and triax will blow them away. That is the low line of MB. Nothing like the quality of their better stuff. Stay away from Jensen and Panisonic. The Kenwood and the Fosgate are Ok for the price.
And you shouldn't use the decks for power. I know its a crime literally but any brand deck that says it has more than 10-12 watts a channel is lying. A good 50x4 amp is about 50% larger and twice as expensive as a most CD players. Ever wonder how they fit that big amp into such a small deck, then add a tuner and CD and then charge less than the price of the amp to begin with? :bs Exactly.
92TripleBlack :cheers:

 

I replaced my Bose with Kenwood all around. 4" in the front and 6" in the back and last year's head unit. Does everything but MP3 which I don't do. Get the AMP! Mine is 44 wattsx4 but is not nearly loud enough for the convertible with the top down and shuts down to prevent an overload. Get the amp up front and drop it in the bin in the back. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. :D

 

Here is what I would do, Get the head unit that you like. Find out what ones skip and what ones don't. Corvette ride ruff and I know the Sony mp3 player skips bad. That is one you want to stay away from! With a mp3 player there is really no need for a CD changer so you are OK there. Go to your local stereo store and get something that sounds good to you and fits your budget. I would take advantage of the 6x9 boxes that are in the back. And I would most definitely get the separates up front. Try that and if that don't sound go get you an amp behind it. Have you seen the new pioneers deck?

The ones with the jets flying around? They are kind of busy!! As far as the amp goes i have mine under the passenger seat. Let me know if you what to take some pictures of how i have my seperates mounted.

Jsc41098@aol.com

 

Hey, that's more like it! Those Boston 6x9's meet the price requirement :)
Where can I buy them :confused:

Does anyone have any experience with the Rockford or Kenwood decks above? Skip protection is a big must! My old JBL CD player that I mentioned before would skip like mad! It was so bad that the whole unit was just useless... Why is it that little walkman CD players will take all sorts of abuse and never skip, but car CD players seem to have alot of problems with it? :confused: