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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:57 PM
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I had a 3 inch B & B tri flow exhaust and changed them to muffler eliminators with an x-pipe. I love them with the new louder sound but the check engine soon light came on after changing to eliminators. I checked the owners manual and talks about emissions. I m thinking this is not a big deal or should I have it checked out? The light does bother me a little though, just dont want to spend more money because of the wife you know what I mean?
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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You need to pull the code . post the year of the car
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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You've probably increased the flow through the exhaust to the point that the O2 sensors are not heating up within the allowable time period. You may have to: (1) relocate the O2 sensors upstream to a hotter location, (2) Eliminate the sensors thru a tune, or, (3) install O2 sensor reproducers, and trick the computer into thinking all is well with the exhaust. But, a code reader will tell the real reason, for sure. Good luck.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Thanks for your repys. Its a 96 LT4. I m going to eventually get it fixed but what will happen if I just leave it for now? If I should get it fixed asap, then I will.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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As stated above, you need to see the code first. If it's the EGR (most probable), you can still drive it without worry.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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As stated above, you need to see the code first. If it's the EGR (most probable), you can still drive it without worry.
'96 LT4 does not have EGR

As others have stated, if the check engine light is on a code has been set. First thing is to find out what code it is.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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I am under the impression maybe something was disconnected and not hooked back up.

perhaps an exhaust leak effecting O2 readings.

get the code... it will set the path to fixing it.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Ok, thanks... I will find out what code it is. I will go back to the muffler shop and he should be able to give me what code it is. The car runs great and has more power than before.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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read this link to pull codes yourself. http://www.corvettebuyers.com/c4vettes/codes.htm
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Originally Posted by EuroRod
You've probably increased the flow through the exhaust to the point that the O2 sensors are not heating up within the allowable time period. You may have to: (1) relocate the O2 sensors upstream to a hotter location, (2) Eliminate the sensors thru a tune, or, (3) install O2 sensor reproducers, and trick the computer into thinking all is well with the exhaust. But, a code reader will tell the real reason, for sure. Good luck.
I think Eurorod is correct on the diagnosis, although you do need to pull codes. However, on his suggestions: (1) can be done and more than likely is what needs done. You can also add a heated 02 sensor, if your stock one is unheated (I have no clue on an LT4 if it is heated or not.) (2) is not a good idea for your level of mods. (3) I don't think is possible because if you ever have any problems the computer won't see them. You could be running rich or lean and the computer won't know it. I'm pretty dumb, and I would never make it so my computer is dumber than I am.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew.huh
Ok, thanks... I will find out what code it is. I will go back to the muffler shop and he should be able to give me what code it is. The car runs great and has more power than before.
I sense an impending disaster, on the horizon. Once you have pulled the codes, remember that a code designating a certain system doesn't necessarily mean that system named device is bad. It just means that a bad reading came from that device but not the cause. You have to trouble shoot the systems with codes to find and fix the problem without replacing parts, blindly.

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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew.huh
Thanks for your repys. Its a 96 LT4. I m going to eventually get it fixed but what will happen if I just leave it for now? If I should get it fixed asap, then I will.
I would get it fixed asap. I know certain vehicles exhaust mods can make them run lean (LT headers on a 2005 Hemi truck with a superchip, don't ask me how I know) I'm not saying that is your problem, your computer codes will point you towards what is wrong. I see CFI is on the case, once you get your codes post them, there is none better than he at figuring out these C4 glitches.
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 07:30 AM
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Most agree first pull the code. Get on the national auction site and search for an OBD11 code scanner. They are $20.00...Something tells me you are going to use it alot.
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
'96 LT4 does not have EGR

As others have stated, if the check engine light is on a code has been set. First thing is to find out what code it is.
I went to the muffler shop where they install the muffler eliminators, and found out the code of 02 sensor heater circuit malfunction, bank 2 sensor 2. I dont know what that is but the owner of the shop who's been in business for over 20 yrs, says its nothing to worry about and i just need to get a new sensor when it comes time to smog the car again. Would anyone know if this is correct? The owner of the shop seems to know what he is talking about and is a very good person. Thanks again.
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew.huh
I went to the muffler shop where they install the muffler eliminators, and found out the code of 02 sensor heater circuit malfunction, bank 2 sensor 2. I dont know what that is but the owner of the shop who's been in business for over 20 yrs, says its nothing to worry about and i just need to get a new sensor when it comes time to smog the car again. Would anyone know if this is correct? The owner of the shop seems to know what he is talking about and is a very good person. Thanks again.
I don't know that much about heated 02 sensors, but it sounds like the diagnosis a few posts ago is right. On my '89 the oxygen sensor is not heated. I had to either install a heated one (then run a power wire to it) or move the stock one closer to the engine. I moved it since my headers have a bung for it up close to the head in one of the primaries. It worked. If I were you I would first check to see if there is a fuse for the heater function of the 02 sensor or for the 02 sensor in general and check it. Possibly it blew a fuse during the exhaust work? Or possibly the wire got disconnected or pulled out? Or possibly the 02 sensor is bad. I think you have found your problem, it is up to you when you get it fixed. The 02 sensor isn't just there to set off a light. It is there to give the computer feedback, and the computer adjusts many things from this feedback. Much larger problems could arise. I wouldn't procrastinate.
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Originally Posted by andrew.huh
I went to the muffler shop where they install the muffler eliminators, and found out the code of 02 sensor heater circuit malfunction, bank 2 sensor 2. I dont know what that is but the owner of the shop who's been in business for over 20 yrs, says its nothing to worry about and i just need to get a new sensor when it comes time to smog the car again. Would anyone know if this is correct?
If that is really what the code is for, he is correct. Any code should be checked out immediately, because letting it go can increase the damage and the cost of the repair. The problem with waiting to fix THIS code, isn't that it will cause any more damage, because, as you were told, it won't, but if any new codes pop up, you won't know it. If something goes wrong that should be attended to immediately, you won't know because your check engine soon light is already on.

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Frankly I think the O2 sensor in question should be changed immediately at NO CHARGE TO YOU.....

Seems pretty obvious to me that the muffler shop somehow messed up the sensor when he installed your eliminators and X-pipe....pretty self serving for him to say live with it!!!




BTW I run "eliminators" on my modded 3" B&B.....no way should this effect the O2 sensor heater circuitry
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
If that is really what the code is for, he is correct. Any code should be checked out immediately, because letting it go can increase the damage and the cost of the repair. The problem with waiting to fix THIS code, isn't that it will cause any more damage, because, as you were told, it won't, but if any new codes pop up, you won't know it. If something goes wrong that should be attended to immediately, you won't know because your check engine soon light is already on.

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Hey CFI....question....I don't have a problem but I like to learn when I can....

Is it that a car with more than 1 oxygen sensor will just ignore the bad or misreading one and throw a code? If the car had only one 02 sensor and it was bad or not being read would the computer then go into a "limp home mode" of sorts? I know different vehicles act differently but I'm asking about an older L98 with 1 sensor in comparison to the newer LT engines with more than 1 sensor.
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Hey CFI....question....I don't have a problem but I like to learn when I can....

Is it that a car with more than 1 oxygen sensor will just ignore the bad or misreading one and throw a code? If the car had only one 02 sensor and it was bad or not being read would the computer then go into a "limp home mode" of sorts? I know different vehicles act differently but I'm asking about an older L98 with 1 sensor in comparison to the newer LT engines with more than 1 sensor.
The older L98s (all L98s, I think) have only one O2 sensor. The ECM sets a code when it receives a reading (from any sensor) that doesn't match the range of readings it is programmed to expect to receive under the conditions described by all the other sensors. In the case of the O2, not only is a code set, but the ECM knows not to rely on the O2 for feed back in fueling in closed loop and reverts to preprogrammed fuel tables (open loop). A car with more than one O2 can tell you which bank of cylinders has the malfunction. With more than 2 O2s, #3 and #4, if present, monitor cat function and efficiency. That is pretty basic. Does it give you what you wanted?

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Frankly I think the O2 sensor in question should be changed immediately at NO CHARGE TO YOU.....

Seems pretty obvious to me that the muffler shop somehow messed up the sensor when he installed your eliminators and X-pipe....pretty self serving for him to say live with it!!!




BTW I run "eliminators" on my modded 3" B&B.....no way should this effect the O2 sensor heater circuitry
I m going to try to look for the sensor, but I need some help. Would anyone know what is the part number or where I can buy this O2 sensor heater circuit malfunction bank 2 sensor 2 for a cheaper price than the dealers. I dont even know how much there go for. Thanks again.
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