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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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Let me see if I have this right.

1.They changed the pistons to raise the compression ratio.

2.Then dummied down the cam to offset the increased CR.

Two expensive offsetting changes that gained 5 HP.


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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MK 82
Let me see if I have this right.

1.They changed the pistons to raise the compression ratio.

2.Then dummied down the cam to offset the increased CR.

Two expensive offsettings changes that gained 5 HP.

Seems kinda stupid, huh? I betcha that extra 1.25 point of compression helps the mods a bit..
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jsup
Seems kinda stupid, huh? I betcha that extra 1.25 point of compression helps the mods a bit..
You mean .75?
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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i was right....
it was impossible that 1.25 extra cr didnt affect the power
that's why they dummied the cam !
so they had little 5 extra hp.....
am i right now ? or do i look stupid ?
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Originally Posted by Calderone
i was right....
it was impossible that 1.25 extra cr didnt affect the power
that's why they dummied the cam !
so they had little 5 extra hp.....
am i right now ?

or do i look stupid ?
If you'd read and think about WTF we all just posted in the last 2 pages...

I'll spell it out one more time for you.

They upped the CR by .75:1 for 1990. If they had done that on an 89, they wouldve gotten more than 250hp, but they decided they wanted it to stay where it was, and so made the cam smaller. This is likely because the LT1 was in testing, and they didnt know how much it would make on a production car, and wanted to make sure the LT1 made a fair bit more hp than the L98.

They then made small muffler changes to affect the other 5hp.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vader86
If you'd read and think about WTF we all just posted in the last 2 pages...

I'll spell it out one more time for you.

They upped the CR by .75:1 for 1990. If they had done that on an 89, they wouldve gotten more than 250hp, but they decided they wanted it to stay where it was, and so made the cam smaller. This is likely because the LT1 was in testing, and they didnt know how much it would make on a production car, and wanted to make sure the LT1 made a fair bit more hp than the L98.

They then made small muffler changes to affect the other 5hp.
But why two counterproductive changes. Why not just leave it alone instead of all that for 5 HP. You say they wanted the HP to stay the same. Then why change anything.

Changes cost money. They essentially got nothing out of it.

I does, however, leave the door open to a cam change for a good gain. Only reason I can think of.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BADDUCK
You mean .75?
That's what I meant.
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Originally Posted by vader86
If you'd read and think about WTF we all just posted in the last 2 pages...

I'll spell it out one more time for you.

They upped the CR by .75:1 for 1990. If they had done that on an 89, they wouldve gotten more than 250hp, but they decided they wanted it to stay where it was, and so made the cam smaller. This is likely because the LT1 was in testing, and they didnt know how much it would make on a production car, and wanted to make sure the LT1 made a fair bit more hp than the L98.

They then made small muffler changes to affect the other 5hp.
The 3 R's have become a lost art.
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Originally Posted by MK 82
But why two counterproductive changes. Why not just leave it alone instead of all that for 5 HP. You say they wanted the HP to stay the same. Then why change anything.

Changes cost money. They essentially got nothing out of it.

I does, however, leave the door open to a cam change for a good gain. Only reason I can think of.
Because a higher CR raises efficiency of the engine. A freer flowing exhaust can help as well, and improves the sound of the engine. These are minor things that they always do to respond to owner gripes at the time.

Incremental changes always add up.
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Glad it makes sense to you.
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thanks vader !
i got it now
and yes,they were testing the LT1,I forgot to think about it
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So the 89s made about 245 hp stock with the basic 87 octane gas used for lawnmowers. The 90-91s made 250 hp, but now with 91-94 octane premium gas.
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Originally Posted by hooblyboobly
So the 89s made about 245 hp stock with the basic 87 octane gas used for lawnmowers. The 90-91s made 250 hp, but now with 91-94 octane premium gas.
It would seem that way. The good news is that the higher compression is that maybe it will help my mods.
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Originally Posted by hooblyboobly
So the 89s made about 245 hp stock with the basic 87 octane gas used for lawnmowers. The 90-91s made 250 hp, but now with 91-94 octane premium gas.
Yeah but the engine is more efficient and sounds better!
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Originally Posted by MK 82
Yeah but the engine is more efficient and sounds better!
I guess youre oblivious to the fact that higher efficiency means more gas mileage?
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Originally Posted by hooblyboobly
So the 89s made about 245 hp stock with the basic 87 octane gas used for lawnmowers. The 90-91s made 250 hp, but now with 91-94 octane premium gas.
No, GM recommends 91 octane in the 1989 cars. That isn't available, at least in my area. I mixed 89 and 93 the first summer I had it. I found out that wasn't necessary so I now run 89. I tried 87 in my car but it ran like crap. The bottom line is, from GM's point of view the 1989 ran 91 and the 1990 required "super" whatever that is. I used to run Amoco 102
octane in my 440 Dodge so 93 isn't so super.
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Originally Posted by vader86
I guess youre oblivious to the fact that higher efficiency means more gas mileage?
I doubt any dubious mileage increase offsets the additional cost of premium fuel.

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Originally Posted by MK 82
I doubt any dubious mileage increase offsets the additional cost of premium fuel.
It did at the prices of gas in 1990.

And GM is required to raise the gas mileage of the car because of CAFE regulations.

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Originally Posted by vader86
It did at the prices of gas in 1990.

And GM is required to raise the gas mileage of the car because of CAFE regulations.
Looks like the mileage went down to me!


89 17/25

90 16/24


http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calcu...lumn=1&id=5243

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calcu...lumn=1&id=6394

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Thats not what I see.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/5244.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/6393.shtml

Anyway the point is moot since they didnt get an increase by that site.

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