New 461 small block
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Racer
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From: aumsville oregon
Well got the car running this weekend and just got back from tom wong's shop to do some tunning and a couple of dyno pulls. All I can say is WOW!!! This thing pumped out 648 RWHP and 554 FT-lb of torque on his dyno after a little bit of tunning. It had over 500 ft-lb's of torque starting @ 3500 rpm's. I still have the stock miniram on it and now am not sure if I really need more power from a good intake? Just thought I would give a quick update I need to go change the oil now.http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...dynosheet2.jpg
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Melting Slicks
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Well got the car running this weekend and just got back from tom wong's shop to do some tunning and a couple of dyno pulls. All I can say is WOW!!! This thing pumped out 648 RWHP and 554 FT-lb of torque on his dyno after a little bit of tunning. It had over 500 ft-lb's of torque starting @ 3500 rpm's. I still have the stock miniram on it and now am not sure if I really need more power from a good intake? Just thought I would give a quick update I need to go change the oil now.http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...dynosheet2.jpg
Are you kidding me? unreal! That's insane!
Can you please fill me in on Tom Wong's shop? I've read a lot of threads in the past, and members getting his help for mild to wild mods... does he have a website?
did these numbers include the nitrous (I'm guessing not).
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Racer
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I really have to thank tom again for opening up his shop for me today on the holiday so I will be able to race next weekend.( I work out of town during the week).
I do not have nitrous on the car. Here is his email
tjwong@qwestoffice.net
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Racer
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They don't come any nicer or more knowledgable than Tom!! Congratuations on some fantastic #s. Cant wait to see how it runs at the track. I might have an intake that would work for you. Single plane cnc'd Wilson Super Victor converted to F.I. PM me if interested.
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Racer
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From: aumsville oregon
Here's the video of the pull. Didn't get a good screen shot on the dyno. http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=DSCN1340.flv
Pro
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I guess what they say about size has just been proven. So have you gotten the grin off your face yet? Please be advised thetoy has been changed to The Toy Man!! Are you still running the 270/280 cam? If so, how has the idle sound changed? And yes you do need to change the intake, there is 35 cfm of air that is just waiting to be set free, you just don't have to rush. Congrats
Melting Slicks
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I really have to thank tom again for opening up his shop for me today on the holiday so I will be able to race next weekend.( I work out of town during the week).
I do not have nitrous on the car. Here is his email
tjwong@qwestoffice.net
I do not have nitrous on the car. Here is his email
tjwong@qwestoffice.net
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Racer
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From: aumsville oregon
I guess what they say about size has just been proven. So have you gotten the grin off your face yet? Please be advised thetoy has been changed to The Toy Man!! Are you still running the 270/280 cam? If so, how has the idle sound changed? And yes you do need to change the intake, there is 35 cfm of air that is just waiting to be set free, you just don't have to rush. Congrats
I've got my builders cut sheet, lots of stuff on there that I don't know what it means but I will post some of the details here.
bore 4.155
stroke 4.250
Comp ratio 13.4:1
2" headers
dart Iron eagle tall deck block
heads all pro 245 23 degree with 2.180 int and 1.625 exh valves
shaft rockers t&d
cam .695 int,.672 exh lift,263 int 266 exh duration @ 50, 110 centerline we changed the firing order also 1-8-7-3-6-5-4-2.
total seal rings
olson custum oil pan with baffles
disp 461 cubic inches
solid roller offset lifters
Plus lots of other stuff that I don't know what it means.
Melting Slicks
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i wonder with a set of 18 degree or 15 degree heads would yield? Possibly a bigger cam? I mean these numbers are totally on par with equal displacement LS-x's
BTW, I talked to TJ for about 20 minutes, great guy! I didn't expect him to call me as I had emailed him to discuss a few combinations for power in the same range as "thetoy". Pretty cool to just chat with him.
BTW, I talked to TJ for about 20 minutes, great guy! I didn't expect him to call me as I had emailed him to discuss a few combinations for power in the same range as "thetoy". Pretty cool to just chat with him.
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Hey Toy Man did you check out the post on yellow bullet?
Melting Slicks
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It TheToy was to change to 15 / 18 degree heads the cam profile would have to change and the intake would have to Manosized. I am not sure the miniram would actually support the flow after it has been overhauled, The port would flow around 410 but the plenum is not big enough to support the eight flowing at the same time. That would make a nice test of the plenum. On my 434 with 15 degree heads, the miniram was cut and overhaul, it lost 4 cfm at peak flow, head 340 cfm at .650 minram & heads 336 cfm at .650. If back then the Edlebrock BOX STYLE INTAKE ELBOWS was out, I would have used it with an 18 degree intake.
Hey Toy Man did you check out the post on yellow bullet?
Hey Toy Man did you check out the post on yellow bullet?
it would just be cool to see if there is anything left in the package.
what did your 434 make (not to go too off topic).
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Racer
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It TheToy was to change to 15 / 18 degree heads the cam profile would have to change and the intake would have to Manosized. I am not sure the miniram would actually support the flow after it has been overhauled, The port would flow around 410 but the plenum is not big enough to support the eight flowing at the same time. That would make a nice test of the plenum. On my 434 with 15 degree heads, the miniram was cut and overhaul, it lost 4 cfm at peak flow, head 340 cfm at .650 minram & heads 336 cfm at .650. If back then the Edlebrock BOX STYLE INTAKE ELBOWS was out, I would have used it with an 18 degree intake.
Hey Toy Man did you check out the post on yellow bullet?
Hey Toy Man did you check out the post on yellow bullet?
Burning Brakes
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From: Pittsburgh PA
Yeah sounds like you could try a ported out raise runner carb manifold converted to EFI to get some more flow to those heads... elbow design however will determine power from there on out as some designs dont make power from what i've seen from some lsx guys posts. COuld do a MPFI style TB and open element air filter like a carb setup.
Either way those are incredible numbers. What tranny is that through?
Either way those are incredible numbers. What tranny is that through?