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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Simple question ...For fuel injector constant : which value to use ... #/hr at vacuum applied or at no vacuum to AFPR ??
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Old Sep 12, 2010 | 12:31 AM
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Simple question ...For fuel injector constant : which value to use ... #/hr at vacuum applied or at no vacuum to AFPR ??
Pounds of fuel pressure is not the number you use for the inj constant.
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Originally Posted by JackDidley
Pounds of fuel pressure is not the number you use for the inj constant.
Pounds of fuel pressure does affect the flow in pounds per hour ...
Either way , which number to use ?? my AFPR has a 7psi difference and that dramatically changes the flow at the injectors ... cruise vs WOT

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Yes FP affects fuel flow. Its the pounds/hour rating you use for the constant. Did you buy 24# injectors? That would be the number you need for the constant.
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Use the number with no vacuum applied. The reduction of the fuel pressure at high vacuum is to compensate for the decreased manifold pressure which makes the injectors flow more fuel.
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Originally Posted by bjankuski
Use the number with no vacuum applied. The reduction of the fuel pressure at high vacuum is to compensate for the decreased manifold pressure which makes the injectors flow more fuel.
This is correct. I actually misread the question.
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Use the number with no vacuum applied. The reduction of the fuel pressure at high vacuum is to compensate for the decreased manifold pressure which makes the injectors flow more fuel.
hi ,so in 91 vette, using tuner pro rt and the ostrich 2, i have 24 lb injectors and 44 psi at the afpr with no vacum applied, at the constants i found where to change the injector flow rate and i put #24, but is there a place or a table that i change the psi too? my car is running way rich and i'm trying to correct it. thanks
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hi ,so in 91 vette, using tuner pro rt and the ostrich 2, i have 24 lb injectors and 44 psi at the afpr with no vacum applied, at the constants i found where to change the injector flow rate and i put #24, but is there a place or a table that i change the psi too? my car is running way rich and i'm trying to correct it. thanks
You don't say what bin you're using, but I'm not aware of any PSI table as the ECM only cares about the bottom line. It's commonly recommended by experienced tuners to set your injector constant to what you actually have (24lbs) & tune A/F with your MAF tables to achieve stoich or whatever your motor likes.
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Originally Posted by Caboboy
You don't say what bin you're using, but I'm not aware of any PSI table as the ECM only cares about the bottom line. It's commonly recommended by experienced tuners to set your injector constant to what you actually have (24lbs) & tune A/F with your MAF tables to achieve stoich or whatever your motor likes.
i'm using the aujp bin which is recomanded for my pcm, so the maf tables need to be changed too in order to fix the problem? you r right i'm not a tune expert, but with the forum's members help, like u , i can make it

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My bad, I think you have speed density, not a MAF system. Search BLM speed density here and @ Third gen
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I'm glad someone finally paid attention to the 91 in his post, most definitely SD, NO MAF Tables.
You can adjust your injector size upwards several lbs, this will lean the engine down a bit. as it will cause shorter timing to reduce flow. 3-4
Go to the tables and raise your efficiency % by a few and that will also lean a bit. more efficient engine uses less gas to make the same power
Take the .2 volts offset constant out of the MAP table.
Bunches of ways to do it.
Make sure you have good vac to the MAP, use as big a hose as the sensor, itty bitty hose slows response time and can cause a richer? condition as the average vac reading is a bit lower, with table adjustments it will help a cam with a lot of overlap.
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Originally Posted by johnnyevans
I'm glad someone finally paid attention to the 91 in his post, most definitely SD, NO MAF Tables.
You can adjust your injector size upwards several lbs, this will lean the engine down a bit. as it will cause shorter timing to reduce flow. 3-4
Go to the tables and raise your efficiency % by a few and that will also lean a bit. more efficient engine uses less gas to make the same power
Take the .2 volts offset constant out of the MAP table.
Bunches of ways to do it.
Make sure you have good vac to the MAP, use as big a hose as the sensor, itty bitty hose slows response time and can cause a richer? condition as the average vac reading is a bit lower, with table adjustments it will help a cam with a lot of overlap.
thanks alot i'll try that and see how it goes
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You need to put the injector constant at the injector size and reduce your VE table at the rich positions to make the engine run leaner. You can try raising the injector constant but it is a global change that fooling the computer into leaning out the mixture by shorting the injector pulse width. I prefer to give the computer the correct injector constant and then adjust the VE table to give the engine the correct amount of fuel.
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Originally Posted by bjankuski
You need to put the injector constant at the injector size and reduce your VE table at the rich positions to make the engine run leaner. You can try raising the injector constant but it is a global change that fooling the computer into leaning out the mixture by shorting the injector pulse width. I prefer to give the computer the correct injector constant and then adjust the VE table to give the engine the correct amount of fuel.
Ok, thanks to u guys my idle is kind of better now because I fixed the a/r around 14.7 without playing with the injector rate, and i'll work on the rest of the rpms tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Caboboy
You don't say what bin you're using, but I'm not aware of any PSI table as the ECM only cares about the bottom line. It's commonly recommended by experienced tuners to set your injector constant to what you actually have (24lbs) & tune A/F with your MAF tables to achieve stoich or whatever your motor likes.
Do you have a known good xdf and ads file for a 91? I have the 'super8d' file off Moats net and looked at a ads file for a SD F body. I have not started tuning yet as waiting for my brake booster to return from rebuilder but do want to make sure I have the correct files to start with.
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Originally Posted by ddahlgren
Do you have a known good xdf and ads file for a 91? I have the 'super8d' file off Moats net and looked at a ads file for a SD F body. I have not started tuning yet as waiting for my brake booster to return from rebuilder but do want to make sure I have the correct files to start with.
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I tune a '165 MAF car, so I won't be much help I'm afraid.........sorry. I do think your car uses a 727/730 ECM, so the super8d file should be the right one. Here's a link to T/P for the downloads: http://tunerpro.net/downloadBinDefs.htm
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Originally Posted by ddahlgren
Do you have a known good xdf and ads file for a 91? I have the 'super8d' file off Moats net and looked at a ads file for a SD F body. I have not started tuning yet as waiting for my brake booster to return from rebuilder but do want to make sure I have the correct files to start with.
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I think u do have the correct file, I'm using the same File from moated and so far it's working fine,, by the way what bin file would u be using? Just a downloaded one, or u r reading ur stock chip?
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