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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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Was replacing ball joints and hubs today, hubs were a breeze, but the ball joints are a totally different matter.

There is a 1/3" gap between the top A arm and the steering knuckle.

The bottom is better, less than an 1/8" between the rim of the ball joint and the bottom of the bottom A arm.

I used a C clamp type Ball remover and just ran out of strength to get that final 1/8".

Top, I stripped the nut and broke the ball joint seperator.

Any suggestions would be most welcome and if you say blow up the car, I already thought of that.

BTW: Harbor Freight Ball and Tierod seperators are cheap pieces of crap.
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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by surfer93
Was replacing ball joints and hubs today, hubs were a breeze, but the ball joints are a totally different matter.

There is a 1/3" gap between the top A arm and the steering knuckle.

The bottom is better, less than an 1/8" between the rim of the ball joint and the bottom of the bottom A arm.

I used a C clamp type Ball remover and just ran out of strength to get that final 1/8".

Top, I stripped the nut and broke the ball joint seperator.

Any suggestions would be most welcome and if you say blow up the car, I already thought of that.

BTW: Harbor Freight Ball and Tierod seperators are cheap pieces of crap.
The headaches you have run into installing ball joints is nothing new.
Cheap tools work for a while till they fail.
Been there too. Know your frustration.

Find another similar ball joint installation tool.
This time, get the threaded Lead Screw tight.

Maybe to 200-250lbs. About all those cheap ball joint tools can take.
Then take a large 48 oz steel headed hammer( also called an engineer's hammer)..........

Hit the the frame of the ball joint installation tool.
It will shock the loaded in ball joint to the last 1/8" you need to get the job done properly.

Wear safety glasses of course.
Metal chips in your eyes suck and ruin your weekend fun turning wrenches.

Don't hit the aluminum upper and lower control arms or ball joints with the hammer.
Immediate damage to each will result.

This old trick works great getting that last 1/8" inch you need every time installing ball joints.
I have done it hundreds of times at work on DD.

Brian
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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by surfer93
Was replacing ball joints and hubs today, hubs were a breeze, but the ball joints are a totally different matter.

There is a 1/3" gap between the top A arm and the steering knuckle.

The bottom is better, less than an 1/8" between the rim of the ball joint and the bottom of the bottom A arm.

I used a C clamp type Ball remover and just ran out of strength to get that final 1/8".

Top, I stripped the nut and broke the ball joint seperator.

Any suggestions would be most welcome and if you say blow up the car, I already thought of that.

BTW: Harbor Freight Ball and Tierod seperators are cheap pieces of crap.
Don't blow up your Vette............
Its China's fault for cheap tools and ours because many choose to buy them instead of Top Notch Tools like Snap On.
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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by surfer93
Was replacing ball joints and hubs today, hubs were a breeze, but the ball joints are a totally different matter.
Sorry to hear about the trouble.

"Pickle fork" style seperators are a cheap and easy way to go....they will kill the old grease boots but they seperate the joints in a flash.

From my experience "new" lower ball joints should be placed into the freezer for about 1/2 hour before installation (this shrinks the joint a bit to help it into the arm with less press effort). A minmum of a 6 ton press is what is best to use for the work. Those big "c" clamp style tools are best used for lighter applications such as U joint work.

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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 87 vette 81 big girl
Don't blow up your Vette............
Its China's fault for cheap tools and ours because many choose to buy them instead of Top Notch Tools like Snap On.
It said professional grade, but I should have known anything from HF is cheap junk.
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Old Mar 19, 2011 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by surfer93
It said professional grade, but I should have known anything from HF is cheap junk.
I am guilty of using their tools too in a pinch.
Nothing else around to use.
Have broken Harbor freight tools also.
Just need to calm down and forget about the bad day.
Tomorrow or when you are ready,
You will have the job done right.

Ball joints installed and fully seated in your Corvette.

If every task or job was easy, you would never learn anything or have a lesson to always remember.

Brian
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I posted this a few months ago. Buy a 7/16 bolt, I think it's 5 1/2" with a coupler (total only a couple of bucks at Orchard. Loosen the nut on one of the balljoints, place your newfound tool between the upper and lower studs and unscrew until one breaks loose. Do the same with the opposite. Works like a charm. Willie



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Originally Posted by 383vett
I posted this a few months ago. Buy a 7/16 bolt, I think it's 5 1/2" with a coupler (total only a couple of bucks at Orchard. Loosen the nut on one of the balljoints, place your newfound tool between the upper and lower studs and unscrew until one breaks loose. Do the same with the opposite. Works like a charm. Willie



yes your idea, I went with, and did my control arms perfectly, the bolt bent a little but it is ingenious...
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383 vette, putting them back on is where I ran into the real problem. I saw your post, but I already had the seperator.

And to top it all off, I can't find the key to my wheels and I forgot to put the tierods on.
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Originally Posted by surfer93
383 vette, putting them back on is where I ran into the real problem. I saw your post, but I already had the seperator.

And to top it all off, I can't find the key to my wheels and I forgot to put the tierods on.
Other than that, it's been a perfect weekend, right? At this point you will probably have to take the control arms off and use a press. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by 383vett
Other than that, it's been a perfect weekend, right? At this point you will probably have to take the control arms off and use a press. Good luck.
Correct, PERFECT weekend!!

Yea, I going to take them off and take them to a shop, to press on.
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Sometimes simple projects can turn into real pains.
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