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Old May 12, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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anyone have an approx cost to have the head ported?
If mine hadn't already been done...$1600.

You are in the ballpark for new heads at that price...
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indeed... then that plus the intake tract and you'd be not too far away from a procharger kit...
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Ok so went to my local track last night to get some baseline runs and i'm pretty happy. Car is bone stock besides a TB aerofoil thingy and a K&n filter. Its got brand new falken 452 tires on buzzsaw's and i ran them at 25psi

it went 13.81@99 and it 60' consistently in the 1.8's which is what surprised me the most. dead hooked from a 4k launch.

how does that time stack up against the average?
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That's in the ballpark of what a stockish 6-spd LT1 car will run. 100 mph in a 3300 lb car is probably at least 300hp.

from my experience, TPI is well suited for the 5 liter (305) engine, but the 350's have such ahard time with it. a votech'd 5.0 with the usual bolt on's actually pulls pretty hard, but only F-Bodies had that engine.
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yea but this car is stock so i doubt im anything over 230rwhp... pretty good MPH though... this old girl must have some fight left in her
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Originally Posted by 1991Z07
If mine hadn't already been done...$1600.

You are in the ballpark for new heads at that price...
Last time I got a quote, LE charged about half that. But a couple of negative posts lately on that subject.

TPIS used to charge $1100ish with larger valves but I can't find a damn thing on their website anymore. (The new site sucks IMO.) Their CNC port job showed numbers pretty close AFR180s. Under a TPI, I'd have to think you be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Or, you could ask for the original valve size and lose 10-20hp with a couple hundred savings. (Call for pricing).

There is a local guy in KC who also has a good rep for porting. Hist price with $800 with new (stock) valves a couple years ago.

I'd advise the Red88 to check around on this subject. Buying new heads for a TPI application isn't as beneficial as for a MR application. If a short-runner intake is selected,,,then yeah.
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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88
Car is bone stock besides a TB aerofoil thingy and a K&n filter.

it went 13.81@99 and it 60' consistently in the 1.8's which is what surprised me the most. dead hooked from a 4k launch.

how does that time stack up against the average?
Sounds like very good times for a stock car to me. Look at the 1/4m sticky to confirm (they have a sticky for all type of builds).

FWIW, make sure there's no chance that your airfoil -- and especially mounting screw -- can vibrate loose. The results could be devastating.
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Old May 13, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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Thanks!, and yea I can imagine, for that reason i opted to go with the larger plastic one thats basically help on by some clips and the intake tube itself.. no way that sucker is falling in. and by the looks of it it makes a smoother flow then the little guy as well but i'm no aerodynamic engineer..
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Last time I got a quote, LE charged about half that. But a couple of negative posts lately on that subject.

TPIS used to charge $1100ish with larger valves but I can't find a damn thing on their website anymore. (The new site sucks IMO.) Their CNC port job showed numbers pretty close AFR180s. Under a TPI, I'd have to think you be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Or, you could ask for the original valve size and lose 10-20hp with a couple hundred savings. (Call for pricing).
Who is LE again? what is the negative thing said? TIA

I don't know. Maybe he can go with a larger head WITHOUT porting so that it will equal the AFR 180 and then when he decides to, port them for even more benefit? Just a thought. That might give him some room to grow instead of growing out faster.
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
FWIW, make sure there's no chance that your airfoil -- and especially mounting screw -- can vibrate loose. The results could be devastating.
Not entirely true. It means new motor. Instant power increase.
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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88
Thanks!, and yea I can imagine, for that reason i opted to go with the larger plastic one thats basically help on by some clips and the intake tube itself.. no way that sucker is falling in. and by the looks of it it makes a smoother flow then the little guy as well but i'm no aerodynamic engineer..
I believe nobody here has found that it does anything besides lighten your wallet. Should make you go faster with less weight in the wallet then.
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Not entirely true. It means new motor. Instant power increase.
you can deliver that ls1 to 37 country village 08210

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I believe nobody here has found that it does anything besides lighten your wallet. Should make you go faster with less weight in the wallet then.
probably doesn't do crap but hey, i bought it when i was like 17 and didn't really know anything...

but ide be willing to bet that if either option did work the one I got would be better...
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Last time I got a quote, LE charged about half that. But a couple of negative posts lately on that subject.

TPIS used to charge $1100ish with larger valves but I can't find a damn thing on their website anymore. (The new site sucks IMO.) Their CNC port job showed numbers pretty close AFR180s. Under a TPI, I'd have to think you be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Or, you could ask for the original valve size and lose 10-20hp with a couple hundred savings. (Call for pricing).

There is a local guy in KC who also has a good rep for porting. Hist price with $800 with new (stock) valves a couple years ago.

I'd advise the Red88 to check around on this subject. Buying new heads for a TPI application isn't as beneficial as for a MR application. If a short-runner intake is selected,,,then yeah.
I should have said that $1600 WAS the price for it in 1999/2000 when I was having the work done on my motor. That included new valves, springs, keepers, seats...everything assembled when they came back. It's what Tommy Morrison paid to get my heads done for him.

I'm sure prices have come down a bit...
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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88
you can deliver that ls1 to 37 country village 08210

probably doesn't do crap but hey, i bought it when i was like 17 and didn't really know anything...

but ide be willing to bet that if either option did work the one I got would be better...
Sure. It will be in the mail as soon as Lingenfelter's gets done with it.

The theory is nice and it might even work on some highly specific car with some weird circumstances but if nobody has been able to get it to make power, save the manufacturer, I'd put it in the category of "snake oil" like most of the additives I see people use.

Maybe but if it doesn't work, all you are doing is increasing the risk for no gain. When I have increased risk, like say if I modify the motor for more power, I must have gain and be able to see it on a dyno.
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just got off the phone with TPiS... seriously leaning toward the miniram route now but still not 100%...
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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88
just got off the phone with TPiS... seriously leaning toward the miniram route now but still not 100%...
Give HiTech Motorsport a call.

http://www.hitechmotorsport.com/
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in reference to?... seems like a good shop
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in reference to?... seems like a good shop
What your needs are. They advised me on my HSR and had a cam ground for me, which rockers to use and dyno tuned it so they can probably do the same for you.
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gotcha, well I think before i get that far im going to have to focus on getting air in this thing and the stock tpi stuff just isnt going to cut it..
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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88
gotcha, well I think before i get that far im going to have to focus on getting air in this thing and the stock tpi stuff just isnt going to cut it..
Absolutely. However, you want to buy the best solution and not bits and pieces. Obviously TPIS is going to tell you that their headers are the best or their Miniram works the best. They make the damn thing and want to make money on it. Find someone you are comfortable with and get an intake system from the TB to the heads. Explain what your goals are and ask them to give you room for growth. In my case, Hitech recommended the TIPS headers which they don't sell for my application and the HSR. Only thing they sold me was the cam and the dyno tune. I reused my AFR heads and got 8 1.6RR rockers and 8 1.5 RR from Summit so I don't see a conflict of interest.
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