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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by thetoy
Were still working on the spring rates for the car. I started with 170# then tryed 350 much better, then last weekend I ran 550# springs for the hillclimb. They felt great but I have not autocrossed with the 550's yet I did with both other springs and I think I'm staying with the 550's. I still need to figure out the front end springs yet. If you watch the takeoff of the video you can see the front end raising every time I shift. I have a completely stock front end on the car. I just bought a 32 mm swaybar for the front and I'm going to get a heavier spring up front. Also I plan on getting the spc A arms so I can get more neg camber up front.
Great info-Thanks!

For you reference I currently have a VBP front and rear spring-Front 1074# Rear 411# I have the larger ZR1 front sway bar. I had the ZR1rear bar but have changed it to the stock (smaller) one. With scrub tires at the track the rear was too loose (with the larger rear bar). When I get the 9" installed I will be doing more drag racing and maybe some auto-x. No more trips to LimeRock & Pocono.

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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Nice sounding mill there thetoy. Care to share about your engine?

Id think if the case was strengthened and the pinion cant move the stress just takes it out on the gear assy and everything attached to it. Rigid mounting like that will find more and more weak links lol.

Its like using stiff or solid mounts on a trans and motor eventually the trans case splits, has to be some "give" to things.
The motor is a 468 stroker small block as per my signature , it puts down 650RWHP/550 torque at the wheels. I did alot of research trying to figure out a way to stay with a Custum IRS for the car and everyone I talk to said it probably would not hold up with my power levels if I race the car all the time. I had pricing from 12,000 to 20,000 from three local fab guys. I then decided to go with something I can't break. I have had it in all this season and don't regret it at all. I did loose my abs brakes with the conversion but am working thru that now. I just installed a manual brake system with a balance bar between the front and rear master cyclinders. This is the first season in a long time that I haven't had to work on the car every weekend to just keep it together.

Thanks for the spring numbers I am going to check into that front spring.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1991Z07
Look at most of the D44 failures, and you'll see they break where the snout and the main part of the casing meet.

This is fairly typical:


Internally, they are great.

Externally, they don't hold up to lots of torque abuse.


did 1/4 mile racing cause this??
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51
did 1/4 mile racing cause this??
I believe so...it wasn't mine. I'm still running the original D44 in mine.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51
did 1/4 mile racing cause this??
I have my own picture just like this one I broke it autocrossing with race tires on the car.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by thetoy
Thanks for the spring numbers I am going to check into that front spring.
Also wanted to add that the front spring is adjustable.
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 03:55 PM
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that's horror !!!
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 07:15 PM
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after this pic i was thinking, how come nobody has come up with a steel case or something like that
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Originally Posted by Calderone
after this pic i was thinking, how come nobody has come up with a steel case or something like that
We are a fairly limited market...the expense of coming up with the product doesn't justify it.
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Old Oct 3, 2012 | 12:48 AM
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I belive that there was a better and stronger D44 built about a year ago. The price was something like $3500. That I remember reading about here on the forum.
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and i was concerned with the internals , now i learned that's not only this
the case is involved too !
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Old Oct 4, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BV85
I belive that there was a better and stronger D44 built about a year ago. The price was something like $3500. That I remember reading about here on the forum.
I haven't checked lately but look at Mid America. I think they offer a complete housing assembly including the batwing that is a step up in the thicker is stronger by design style. Cost like $2500. Don't quote me ... just take a look... might be something to consider.

I just looked... its not there anymore... maybe I saw it somewhere else.

Some people from what I have heard build a cage for it. How that would be done I have no idea. I think it is more of a C5 mod

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Old Oct 4, 2012 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Calderone
and i was concerned with the internals , now i learned that's not only this
the case is involved too !
I would imagine the internals have problems because the case distorts and puts the parts in a bind.

One day I was cruising along pretty good and a tooth came off the ring gear and passed under the ring gear and cracked to case. It didn't leak or anything and I could still drive it. However, over the next few weeks it started getting worse with a new sound and so I had to replace the whole thing. I still have the case and it has been repaired... just have not needed it for anything yet.
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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 11:22 PM
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If I got upper and lower a arms for the rear end of the C4 IRS, a craddle for the rear end and a sway bar added would this take some stress off of the axles, rear, u joints etc? Make them last longer?
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I've read about a Tork Arm. But don't understand or can't picture how it would mount on the IRS. Could someone Pls post a picture of one mounted on a C4. TIA
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BV85
I belive that there was a better and stronger D44 built about a year ago. The price was something like $3500. That I remember reading about here on the forum.
This may be what you are looking for
http://www.newmancarcreations.com/products/

Jim
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They way its mounted the case has no other choice except to absorb a LOT of stress. If you could take the stress off the case it just moves outward. Add some squat and it just gets worse
Its just not made for high powered 1/4 mi racing its like taking a TPI intake and pulling your hair out trying to get top end power out.
Youll spend lots and get fru$tration

Not shooting down anyones ideas just saying-
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
They way its mounted the case has no other choice except to absorb a LOT of stress. If you could take the stress off the case it just moves outward. Add some squat and it just gets worse
Its just not made for high powered 1/4 mi racing its like taking a TPI intake and pulling your hair out trying to get top end power out.
Youll spend lots and get fru$tration

Not shooting down anyones ideas just saying-
I agree with you it will be a lot of work. But the cradle could mount the diff and take off the pressure and stress off it. Then upper and lower a arms with a sway bar that connects to the cradle and lower a arms like the c6 design it would be better imo just seeking other thoughts.
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