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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 01:17 PM
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Default C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it?

I'm just wondering if this is normal. When I jack up one corner of my car at the jacking point, typically the entire side of the car lifts up. Do most of the other early C4s do this also, or are those Z51 extra frame braces really that beneficial?
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 01:22 PM
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Default Re: C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it? (scorp508)

I have a z52 (I think it has the brace) and my entire side goes up also. I have never tried it with the top off though....
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 01:40 PM
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oh yeah, its "normal" for the C4 with its chassy design flaws.
Normal for the whole side to come up like that? I've autocrossed with the top on, and the top off the same day before and honestly haven't felt much difference.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 01:53 PM
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well on a smooth paved road you wont notice the loss of structural integrity versus on a rough road with the top on/off.
Not what I'm trying to get at. :)
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 02:09 PM
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:confused: Mine will do the same. I would think that the entire side comming up would be a good thing no, means the car is stiff right :confused:
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 02:25 PM
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:confused: Mine will do the same. I would think that the entire side comming up would be a good thing no, means the car is stiff right :confused:
Mine does the same. I see this as the chassis being rigid, not flexing. However, with the top off there is a huge difference. I have a cross brace from a convertible to install, just haven't had time.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 02:39 PM
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I see that Camber Brace as being the same thing to the C4 has a Strut Tower Brace is to an import. :rolleyes:
Scorp- Yeah, I think with the Z51/2 frame stuff it does it more. Because on my 85 FE1 car I didn't notice it much, it just kinda did a 3 wheel motion. (same with my friends 88 IROC) and on the 87 Z52, man! That thing gets off the ground on whatever side! (kinda worries me, cuz I think it's twisting the frame)
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 02:41 PM
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Default Re: C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it? (scorp508)

My convertible does it. It may not be as rigid as a coupe, but it is far and away more stiff than anything else I have driven.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 02:59 PM
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Default Re: C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it? (rcdk)

It must be the design of the car.

When I added my sub-frame connectors to my Firebird. It did the same thing.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 03:13 PM
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It's really due to the lack of suspension travel (certainly not chassis stiffness).
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The whole side comes up on mine, too (Z51). I've notice that, with the top off my car, when I pull into my brother's driveway (it's real steep) when that first wheel starts up the incline it feels like the car's gonna fold in half. Just my perception.

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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 03:50 PM
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Default Re: C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it? (scorp508)

If I use the jacking points where they are marked, I do get some flex on my 92 roadster. I usually release the hood, and the doors before jacking. I also bring the door windows down a bit.

What I have found is that I can jack the car up at the center point between the marks when I want the entire car off the ground and there is not anywhere near the body flex. You just have to be careful to keep the jack pad away from the brake and fuel lines as they are real close to the body seams. I don't get any interference at the lower body molding with the jack pad so no damage. Doing it this way allow me to position 2 jackstands on a side for the height I want and just lower the car onto them.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 03:55 PM
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Doing it this way allow me to position 2 jackstands on a side for the height I want and just lower the car onto them.
Just raise the OTHER side reaaaal slow as a car tends to "tip over" jack stands when done that way. :) I normally like to do both rears, and then both fronts.
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I think that is the norm.. :yesnod:
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 04:09 PM
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Mine does it too.

The post a while back regarding opening doors-hoods etc was different. I'd never heard of such a thing before. I never do any of those things, slide the jack under, up up and away :D
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 06:01 PM
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I agree with JD. I jack where I am supposed to and can get the whole side of the car high enough off the ground to place jack stands front and rear. This is a sign that the chassis is stiff, not flexible. I had to change tires on an F-body this weekend, it absolutely sucked having to jack the car up 4 times to change 4 wheels. The car even had a cage in it. It still was more flexible than my FE1 C4.
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 06:12 PM
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This is a sign that the chassis is stiff, not flexible.
That is the point I'm trying to make. It is amazing for the frame appearing so stiff, that hte cars themselves are not (compared to some others).
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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 11:04 PM
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Scorp... that is the difference between longatudinal forces and lateral forces...

then again, chassis stiffness? we don't need no stinking chassis stiffness.

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Old Jul 16, 2002 | 11:07 PM
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Default Re: C4 body flex while jacking. Do you get it? (Vince Ivanc)

Vince is right. Also, springs also make a difference. Just think about it for a minute people!
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Old Jul 17, 2002 | 11:45 AM
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The fact of the matter is this car was designed to have a bar running from the back to the front, as in earlier models, and and not a targa. At the last minute GM big wigs said make this a targa, but the frame was already designed for the older style bar.


[Modified by PTz-92-LT1, 10:46 AM 7/17/2002]
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