What is that supposed to show? Does not look like a G.M. site.

 

I'm not sure which version they came with and therefore couldn't speak to the issue at hand. If a mistake has occurred, and corrections are being made then that's all you can ask of someone. I call that honorable business.
What I can speak to is that from time to time, some parts vendors become fixated on sort of just shuttling you out the door with less money than you had when you came in, and if that's the case then I certainly want to know about it.
So far it seems that lots of folks speak very highly of FIC, and at least through present, nothing has been said that would stop me from being one of their customers.

 

93 was still batch fire, I am quite sure they came with 22#

24# was 94-96. just because the BIN says 23.8 does not mean that they are 24# injectors.

Also what leads you to believe they injectors are the cause of your long start time? did you check them for leaks while on fuel rail but removed from intake?

other things could be:
-fuel pump
-ICM

 

From FIC's website:

Performance upgrade for GM 5.7 to 91 and stock replacement for 92 up 5.7

https://www.fuelinjectorconnection.c...impedance.html

 

Great they did some testing and recommend 24 lbs but still does not mean that they did not come with 22 lbs from the factory.

 

Yes, I'm sure the factory ran them lean!

 

Hey Scott (mrwillys) I didn't know you had such a hardon for us.. Thanks for the Bash!!..
My thought on this subject. This has been hashed for years. We have been selling that injector since 07.. to date we have sold 3,807 sets for TPI engines. The reason we sell them is to give the Corvette community a inexpensive replacement for the multec that will fail them eventually. I would say 90% of all these sold have resulted in satisfied customers. (just do a search on this board) We always have used the yellow bosch 3 0280155700 for this application. We have also installed these in many cars ourselves.. We also used them in the early lt1.. Most run very well, some don't. But, I assure you we have always done whatever we have to to make our customers happy. I see scott is recommending another shop for your injector purchases. That's fine except it might be against forum rules the way he is doing it... So, Scott they must of taken the 30% commission deal that our sales manager would not approve.. You are telling guys to get the 21lb made in China Accell and run them at 48lb of fp. Why not just run ours at the same 48lbs? Also your data is wrong.. The injector from Bosch is rated at 19lb @39.15psi because they are OEM ford. (all ford oem injectors ran at 39.15) at 43.5 it was fine for the l98 and early lt1 . The ethanol content in todays fuels are effecting the way these cars are running. In 93 and up we were using the 715 24lb and they were fine also.. So where are all these thousands of cars with the Bad yellow injectors? Are they all blown up with lean engine? No!! Their ecu has added the fuel it needs to run fine. Again, all this was supposed to do is give you guys a alternative to the stock injector at a ridiculously low price. $169.00 a set, 3 yr warranty!! If that's not OK we sell brand new exact replacement 22lb Delphi's, We sell exact fit new Bosch 3's that are modified to flow exactly 22.8lb. We will soon be selling the new Bosch ev14 22 which is the newest generation Bosch injector.

Scott wants to bash us, go ahead Scott.. I will not waste my time defending comments from a keyboard mechanic. You can call me man to man at 770 888 1662.

From here lets take a forum poll.. The Prize is a $200.00 gas card.. Here's what we need. our customers only Post a picture of your car, state how our service is and how the injectors work.. We will pick the winner from a hat on July 1st.. In the meantime if any of our customers are unhappy with the set they have call me I would like to know. We are and always will be a supporter of the Corvette Forum. I would also like to thank all our customers for their support. Jon

 

Mr. ****** - did you propose a 30% commission sales deal to FIC? And are you receiving a sales commission from the company you are recommending?

 

OK, now I'm confused. Do I still need the 24s for my 1992 LT1 six speed? I mean I had other issues before I put the yellow 22s in but never had a long start issue. The biggest problem to me was probably the pop during deceleration but Ive been told that is because the PO removed the resonator. Blue 24s will probably be here or tomorrow and just need to know which ones I need.

I have no problems with FIC whatsoever, they were very courteous and after speaking with Jon there was NO hesitation on his part to mail out the 24s, even without me sending the 22s back first. I call that great service which is rare these days.

I have learned from someone asking a question on FB that the accumulator can cause a long start so maybe somehow that is defective now. It was just strange that my problem started after the injector change. I used to be a gearhead back in the day but Im just getting back into cars again after more than 20 years. And nothing ever to do with injection or computer controlled motors.

 

***** got called out.

 

You will have both sets figure it out and look into what others have suggested.

 

... this is about to get really interesting.

 

It don't need to get interesting.. Its a bunch of ********. the bashers all have an agenda, been doing this too long and worked too hard servicing our customers to believe it. . Its heartbreaking to see how someone who is self employed like Scott Hansen (little ***** or whatever he calls himself) can bash another self employed business just for fun. What, no cars to tune Scotty?

 

First one to thank FIC finally got my first confirmed virgin.

 

Its already interesting.

He is either going to be able to defend his position or backtrack like crazy somehow.

Either way I don't see how this is a problem for you guys anymore. In fact this entire thread is a microcosm validating the old saying ..... "There is no bad publicity".

 

He is either going to be able to defend his position or backtrack like crazy somehow.

Or run and hide.

 

it don't matter if he earns or not. That's not my point. He is in business to make money.. What pisses me off is when a client asks how Scott Hanson is I always say fine, good guy.. I never knew he was even mad.. At least have the class to call me up. We have a large dealer program so we will never bash anyone even a ex shop. All suppliers have attrition, that's part of the deal, but, don't go and bash someone that does nothing but work hard. Its a disgrace

 

Sorry for the delay, I was tuning this.
Jon,
I talked with you about this injector back in 2012 (0280-155-700) and the testing I had done. I currently run 0280-150-563 at 48 psi and they work fine on stock programming. When I put the 700's in my BLM's skyrocketed and not until I lowered my programmed flowrate down to 19.8 lb did they come back in line. You're not the only vendor claiming this to be a 22 lb injector. I have reprogrammed numerous vehicles to 20 lbs and ask them to run them at 48 psi and it works. There have been several threads on this board about this issue.

Yes, I used to have you linked on my site but changed when you substituted 0280-155-890's instead of 0280-155-715 and claimed they flowed the same.

http://witchhunter.com/flowdatapix/b0280155890.jpg

http://witchhunter.com/flowdatapix/b0280155715.jpg

This changed force me to have to reprogram the car. The speed density system are so sensitive most people don't have a clue what's wrong. I'm just helping the OP out here and when he swaps in the 24's the problem will be solved.

Also, your claim of 19 lb at 39.25 or 2.7 bar doesn't wash or = 22. When run thru a calculator it equals 20 lbs.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/fiflowcalc.html

Both Witchhunter and Weiss disagree with your claims also.

http://witchhunter.com/flowdatapix/b0280155700.jpg

http://www.users.interport.net/s/r/srweiss/tableifc.htm

I'm really only interested in helping these people to get their vehicle to operate correctly. The Datalog doesn't lie and if you want to send me another set I'll test them again?
Scott

 

I'm actually retired from the Carpenters union in the SF Bay Area. I taught myself tuning because I could'nt get anyone to do it. Ask DMITTZ on this board how much his memcal cost? I saw his build on here and thought the big guys would rip him off so I did it for free!

 

scott . the 890 is a 22lb injector that we subed for the 22 not the 715.. the 24sub for the 715 is a 931.
they can disagree with me all they want.. I flow injectors dynamically not static.. Tell me what car you have tuned with the injectors at static.
In dynamic mode the bosch 3 opens and closes faster than the multec. there for the dead time is accounted for in the flow data. if you flow a yellow bosch 3 on a dynamic flow bench with a flowmeter, not a graduated cylinder that's lets you test for maybe 30 secs. you will see that after 1 hr of flow they are within the same range. Quite frankly Scott, I'm disappointed in you, I thought you understood what deadtime does to the flow of an injector. Also, Scott if the BLM is at 150 there is really no problem is there? Most of these cars run great with them. With all this BS aside I would like to send you a set of the ev14 bosch to evaluate. Is that your coupe in the PIC?