C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

booster BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 05:50 PM
  #1  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default booster BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 4th booster in 12 (!) months just failed. this is PURE BS ! The last booster (NAPA) was installed in Durango , CO. just 36 days ago , failure in the San Juan Mts. that stranded me for 4 days and FU ! my trip. since I am forced to pay labor due to health issues , each failure has cost me $600. got my money back on last unit ( NOT LABOR ) AND will get money back on this booster (am ex NAPA store mgr.) but will eat the labor most likely. What truly PISSES ME OFF is there is ZERO PM that can be done to prevent these Pain in Azz failures. the next, AND FRICKING LAST booster will be metal body. this the LAST straw , 96 CE LT4 is for sale car has had an ASTOUNDING amount of money spent on pro repairs and pm (10 k plus, all documented) in the last 18 months( 99k miles on Beautiful CA car) PM me if interested, will try to post pics soon. MUSTANG or XKR will be next. the 96 is my 5th Vette and will absolutely be the LAST. ALL the rant did not help much.................I'M fricking done............ I have 40 years experience in the auto parts biz , and have NEVER , EVER seen a POS as unreliable as this plastic crap.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 07:15 PM
  #2  
drcook's Avatar
drcook
Safety Car
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,648
Likes: 1,059
From: N.E. Ohio OH
Finalist 2020 C4 of the Year - Modified
Default

The NAPA unit is a reman. Where did you get the other one's from ? Were they reman's also ?

Even the AC Delco from cough choke Rock Auto is a reman.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 07:51 PM
  #3  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

THE booster prior to the NAPA unit was straight from the local Chevy dealer . my Vette specialty shop claims that ALL plastic boosters are from the same source no matter what box they come out of, ALL the markings are the same. I doubt they will install a "wrong " year metal unit due to legal issues. also , the Chevy dealer in DURANGO,CO was ZERO help, told me 3 days to even look at the car and I am telling them "the booster failed"( I am an expert) and that I was a traveler broken down on hwy 550. frick those A holes, they know who they are.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 08:09 PM
  #4  
1984Z51auto's Avatar
1984Z51auto
Pro
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 706
Likes: 47
From: Denver Colorado
Default

I know you are not a happy camper, but could you elaborate on what caused the failures? Was it all the same thing or are the boosters quitting for multiple reasons? I had a similar experience with the old Austin/Morris/Leyland Mini in the UK. Brake master cylinders failed due to an internal leak/casting flaw and the dealer attitude resulted in my ditching the Mini for a Volvo (and no more brake issues). I currently have a 1996 CE LT-4 and don't want to do the brake thing again!
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 08:40 PM
  #5  
Sleazy Rider's Avatar
Sleazy Rider
Le Mans Master
Veteran: Marine Corps
20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,019
Likes: 568
From: Conroe Texas
Default

i have had c4's since 1987 and still have a 96 and never had an issue with a brake booster. and they all have had the original booster from gm.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 09:35 PM
  #6  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

no idea as to the cause of failure . brakes worked on Friday, failed while driving today. that is exactly what drives me nuts. NO warning prior to failure or means of PM. This is my third failure while driving and should be a NTSB safety issue.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 09:47 PM
  #7  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

Sometimes you win.....
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 10:07 PM
  #8  
s carter's Avatar
s carter
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,894
Likes: 592
From: New Port Richey FL
Default

Like stated before What's failing, Is it an Internal failure or is it doing the crack/split from the Booster Vacuum Port. If it is the Split, that is caused by the Holes on the Master not lining up with the studs on the Booster and the installer dragging them together with the bolts. They should slide together to Flush by hand if they don't you just take a rat tail or dremle and remove a little bit from Master and tightened Equally to about 15ftlb

cracked booster

Last edited by s carter; Nov 4, 2018 at 11:53 AM.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 10:11 PM
  #9  
1984Z51auto's Avatar
1984Z51auto
Pro
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 706
Likes: 47
From: Denver Colorado
Default

You have got to hate it when the pedal goes to the floor or goes ridged, brakes don't work and THEN the brake failure warning light comes on... like you don't already know that!
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 10:17 PM
  #10  
billschroeder5842's Avatar
billschroeder5842
Zen Vet Master Level VII
Supporting Gold
Veteran: Navy
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 5,218
Likes: 1,174
From: Southlake, TX
Default

Originally Posted by johno504
What truly PISSES ME OFF is there is ZERO PM that can be done to prevent these Pain in Azz failures. the next, AND FRICKING LAST booster will be metal body. this the LAST straw , 96 CE LT4 is for sale car has had an ASTOUNDING amount of money spent on pro repairs and pm (10 k plus, all documented) in the last 18 months( 99k miles on Beautiful CA car) PM me if interested, will try to post pics soon. MUSTANG or XKR will be next. the 96 is my 5th Vette and will absolutely be the LAST. ALL the rant did not help much.................I'M fricking done............ I have 40 years experience in the auto parts biz , and have NEVER , EVER seen a POS as unreliable as this plastic crap.
With a description like this who wouldn't want this car and be happy pay top dollar?
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2018 | 10:51 PM
  #11  
VikingTrad3r's Avatar
VikingTrad3r
Oil Producer
Supporting Gold
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 9,371
Likes: 2,736
Default

Originally Posted by johno504
The 4th booster in 12 (!) months just failed. this is PURE BS ! The last booster (NAPA) was installed in Durango , CO. just 36 days ago , failure in the San Juan Mts. that stranded me for 4 days and FU ! my trip. since I am forced to pay labor due to health issues , each failure has cost me $600. got my money back on last unit ( NOT LABOR ) AND will get money back on this booster (am ex NAPA store mgr.) but will eat the labor most likely. What truly PISSES ME OFF is there is ZERO PM that can be done to prevent these Pain in Azz failures. the next, AND FRICKING LAST booster will be metal body. this the LAST straw , 96 CE LT4 is for sale car has had an ASTOUNDING amount of money spent on pro repairs and pm (10 k plus, all documented) in the last 18 months( 99k miles on Beautiful CA car) PM me if interested, will try to post pics soon. MUSTANG or XKR will be next. the 96 is my 5th Vette and will absolutely be the LAST. ALL the rant did not help much.................I'M fricking done............ I have 40 years experience in the auto parts biz , and have NEVER , EVER seen a POS as unreliable as this plastic crap.
sorry bud. i call bs. u say u r an expert yet you get taken for 4 boosters.

never seen that here before.

only way ive seen a booster fail os if the ms piston oring leaks rubber diaphram eating brake fluid into the booster which causes the diaphram to rupture under pressure.

i get that your mad, if id been taken 4 times i would be too but i think u better look in the mirror
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 01:18 AM
  #12  
Hot Rod Roy's Avatar
Hot Rod Roy
Safety Car
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,953
Likes: 550
From: Mission Viejo CA
Default

I'm curious too. Since you're an ex-NAPA store manager and an expert, you should be able to tell us why these boosters failed. There's a lot of people here who would like to keep this from happening to them, too!

Are you accepting offers on the car? Where are you located?

(I have a metal booster and excellent brakes on my "antique" '84.)

Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 04:54 AM
  #13  
64Scout's Avatar
64Scout
Burning Brakes
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 823
Likes: 106
From: Somewhere near Fort Wayne, Indiana
Default

I'm wondering if it's really the master cylinder and not the booster? "The brakes worked on Friday, then they didn't work today" then someone else stating when the MC oring leaks it causes booster failure.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:15 AM
  #14  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

I am an expert in telling mechanics to change the booster, but am not a mechanic. tomorrow I will be an expert once more and tell the mechanic to switch to metal body unit . Not sure that they will , but will report back. WILL 5 times be lucky number ?
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:22 AM
  #15  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

m/c has never been changed . 90 % of brake system has less than 8k miles.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:41 AM
  #16  
belairbrian's Avatar
belairbrian
Melting Slicks
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,024
Likes: 363
From: Central Alabama
Default

The booster on my 92 failed a little over a year ago, based on the markings it was the original, or at least built before the car.
I purchased an AC Delco through Amazon, since then no issues.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:41 AM
  #17  
johno504's Avatar
johno504
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 491
Likes: 40
From: Mardi Gras City
St. Jude Donor '19
Default

Mr. Viking , when I look in the mirror I see an old man with deep pockets , terminal bone cancer, that just want's the car to stay fixed so I can use it . Pray Tell , what other option do I have ?
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To booster BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Old Nov 4, 2018 | 11:26 AM
  #18  
Red 91's Avatar
Red 91
Racer
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 312
Likes: 19
Default

Hi johno, I recommend that you state your location. There are many good techs on this forum, maybe one will be near you. Or maybe one will know of a very good shop near you. With a good tech that knows this history and a quality part or parts this should be one and done. Do not go to a good tech and tell him to change tthis part. Instead tell him this history then let him decide what to repair and where to source the parts. Good luck!
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 11:41 AM
  #19  
drcook's Avatar
drcook
Safety Car
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,648
Likes: 1,059
From: N.E. Ohio OH
Finalist 2020 C4 of the Year - Modified
Default

There is something else causing this to happen. One bad unit I could go with, but not this many. Even with a failed booster, you should not lose your brakes. That would be a lawsuit in a can if that is how the systems were designed. Harder to push, yes, totally lose, no.

A good mechanic needs to find the root cause. Not keep throwing parts and charging you money.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2018 | 01:12 PM
  #20  
cv67's Avatar
cv67
Team Owner
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 81,241
Likes: 3,063
From: altered state
St. Jude Donor '05
Default

If his health keeps him from working on it he has to be able to trust the me cans to tell him what the problem is, I get it.
X2 on something else taking out your booster, has to be. Lots of replacement parts suck but those are beyond Charlie Brown odds!
best of luck!
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:25 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE