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From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
Yes, we did and just got back from there 30 minutes ago after 9.5 hour drive.
The tooling is now back in our grubby hands safe and sound. There are some issues, but it doesn't look bad or unrepairable. All the core boxes look good for sure. Just the cope and drags are the issue so far. Even the top plate looks good and that is one piece that I was worried about. We are going to look it over a little more tomorrow and the next few days and also get with the pattern maker in Phoenix that originally did the tooling and see what he says.I have to get with our original machinist and tell him that he may be back in the manifold business again.
Also, we may have found another promising new foundry...AND ITS LOCAL! That would be HUGE if everything looks and goes as planned IMO. Need to contact Summit as well before we lose that connection because of EMS. There is a lot to do and since the holiday is coming, it will set things back a little, BUT at least all the tooling is back to us and I'm a happy camper right now.
BTW...The guy at EMS that we talked to was an A**! I hope he doesn't do their customer service there or they are really hurting. At least I didn't end up in jail today. LOL
Last edited by Buccaneer; Dec 19, 2019 at 12:18 AM.
Yes, we did and just got back from there 30 minutes ago after 9.5 hour drive.
The tooling is now back in our grubby hands safe and sound. There are some issues, but it doesn't look bad or unrepairable. All the core boxes look good for sure. Just the cope and drags are the issue so far. Even the top plate looks good and that is one piece that I was worried about. We are going to look it over a little more tomorrow and the next few days and also get with the pattern maker in Phoenix that originally did the tooling and see what he says.I have to get with our original machinist and tell him that he may be back in the manifold business again.
Also, we may have found another promising new foundry...AND ITS LOCAL! That would be HUGE if everything looks and goes as planned IMO. Need to contact Summit as well before we lose that connection because of EMS. There is a lot to do and since the holiday is coming, it will set things back a little, BUT at least all the tooling is back to us and I'm a happy camper right now.
BTW...The guy at EMS that we talked to was an A**! I hope he doesn't do their customer service there or they are really hurting. At least I didn't end up in jail today. LOL
Glad to hear it. And I had reached out to EMS at some point, while not as bad as ecklers it still wasn't as pleasant as summit lol. I actually called summit the other night in regards to them adding a promo the day after I ordered some gifts... get this, didn't give them my name and my phone number comes up blocked... guy comes on the line and says "Mr T, your account has been credited the discount, no need to worry and is there anything else I can do for you." I don't know how they pulled that one off but if I had to guess, they're the real Santa. Class act on their part and definetly agree that I wouldn't want to lose the contact with them. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them.
In short, enjoy your holiday and get back to us when you have the time afterwards! I'm in no rush lol, I'll make my stock one work for now if I have to or hack my old one up some to make it work. Looking forward to maybe having a real one down the road.
I have a Z51 4+3 car sitting out in the shop that would love to have a proper Renegade on it.
They are a fun little car with the Renegade, decent heads and a better cam. I predict a few more retuning to the road once the Renegade is back in quality controlled production, Buccaneer might be into a gold mine, there were over 50,000 84 crossfires produced. It might be time for the A Team car to get some engine mods
From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
Here are the core boxes, they are all in good shape...thank God! I talked with my machinist today and we discussed the manifold machining and kind of what I want to do if this all works out as planned and he is all for it including the "blue printed" version/plan and ready to go.
From: Arizona - If you don’t know CFI, STOP proliferating the myths around it...
Originally Posted by GregMartin
They are a fun little car with the Renegade, decent heads and a better cam. I predict a few more retuning to the road once the Renegade is back in quality controlled production, Buccaneer might be into a gold mine, there were over 50,000 84 crossfires produced. It might be time for the A Team car to get some engine mods
yeah I think they might have been earlier as well in the F bodies. And of course the 82 corvettes. The corvettes had forged pistons etc and with a restrictive top end it’s kind of hard to abuse them. I wouldn’t be surprised if heaps of them have survived.
i had my car out yesterday, renegade, edlebrock heads, mild cam, vac ref fuel pressure regulator, built trans with a 3200rpm (or was that 3400..) 9.5in converter, topped off with an ebl flash ecm, and long tube headers.
the engine is just snappy, very good throttle response, lots of power, all around fun.
my 84 before was fun, now it's a hoot!
It took tons of work to get here, but i took a car that i liked, and turned it into something i love!
This option is also great if one wishes to keep the unique cold air intake that the 84 has.
@Buccaneer just checked your website before heading back over here and I'm glad to see that most of the tooling is alright. Hopefully you're able to get this operation back up and running so you can take my money.
@Buccaneer just checked your website before heading back over here and I'm glad to see that most of the tooling is alright. Hopefully you're able to get this operation back up and running so you can take my money.
Pop in a new cam and a double row timing chain while you are there.
I thought you had to tear it down that far for spark plugs...
(Done and done lol) shes going to be rowdy. Did a similar build in a work truck and it worked well but this isn't utilizing budget parts... this should be a nice build up. Targeting 375 crank or so.
I thought you had to tear it down that far for spark plugs...
(Done and done lol) shes going to be rowdy. Did a similar build in a work truck and it worked well but this isn't utilizing budget parts... this should be a nice build up. Targeting 375 crank or so.
Excellent. Maybe you have mentioned that before there are quite a lot of 84s to keep track of. That will be a nice build, it’s quite a lot for a crossfire so I can’t wait for progress updates.
Excellent. Maybe you have mentioned that before there are quite a lot of 84s to keep track of. That will be a nice build, it’s quite a lot for a crossfire so I can’t wait for progress updates.
I'm keeping it quiet for now. I'll probably just throw up a dyno sheet when its sorted. Itll be a while yet for that though. Taking my time you know.
I'm keeping it quiet for now. I'll probably just throw up a dyno sheet when its sorted. Itll be a while yet for that though. Taking my time you know.
Yeah I know what you mean. I don’t like to be a horn blower either. I do think however that it is good to publish everything you did to make a successful build so others can benefit from your learnings. When I did my engine I took lots of photos and then did a big “how to” kind I thread. I absolutely agree with taking your time and doing it right that will be good power for a 2 bolt 350 with crossfire induction. If your not going to post then how about a DM along the way?
Yeah I know what you mean. I don’t like to be a horn blower either. I do think however that it is good to publish everything you did to make a successful build so others can benefit from your learnings. When I did my engine I took lots of photos and then did a big “how to” kind I thread. I absolutely agree with taking your time and doing it right that will be good power for a 2 bolt 350 with crossfire induction. If your not going to post then how about a DM along the way?
I'll post the full spec out at the end. I just am horrible at documenting along the way then also second guessing everything as I do it lol. I am actually basing my build off the 383 we built for the work truck 2 years ago... that was more or less a 9.8:1 vortec headed 224/230 build up. But that retained the stock manifold (vortec) and exhaust (2.75 true dual) I'm realistically expecting 330 or so at the crank but depending on tuning and other factors such as the restriction of the throttle bodies it has the potential for 400 at the crank. (I think I'll brick wall the fuel system before that though) With good tuning I should be able to inch it to 375 but that'll be a long process and hopeful. My original goal was 1hp per cubic inch but my buddy played with desktop dyno... albeit it is hard to get a renegade style intake in it so we fudged it with a mild flowing shared plenum lowrise single plane and we got something like 440. I guesstimate that DD reads 10% high so 400 seemed like a pipe dream. 375 I feel can be done. Or I launch a rod trying. broad power band is the goal. So if I only get to 350 but have a flat band from 2500-5000 then I think I've done well. I'm expecting roughly 6000 as the redline. Nothing crazy.
I'll post the full spec out at the end. I just am horrible at documenting along the way then also second guessing everything as I do it lol. I am actually basing my build off the 383 we built for the work truck 2 years ago... that was more or less a 9.8:1 vortec headed 224/230 build up. But that retained the stock manifold (vortec) and exhaust (2.75 true dual) I'm realistically expecting 330 or so at the crank but depending on tuning and other factors such as the restriction of the throttle bodies it has the potential for 400 at the crank. (I think I'll brick wall the fuel system before that though) With good tuning I should be able to inch it to 375 but that'll be a long process and hopeful. My original goal was 1hp per cubic inch but my buddy played with desktop dyno... albeit it is hard to get a renegade style intake in it so we fudged it with a mild flowing shared plenum lowrise single plane and we got something like 440. I guesstimate that DD reads 10% high so 400 seemed like a pipe dream. 375 I feel can be done. Or I launch a rod trying. broad power band is the goal. So if I only get to 350 but have a flat band from 2500-5000 then I think I've done well. I'm expecting roughly 6000 as the redline. Nothing crazy.
Ah 383 sounds more doable. 4 or 2 bolt mains? ZZ4 might be a start. I think over about 6100 4 bolt mains provide a bit more comfort and peace of mind. Looking forward to hearing all about it.
broad power band is the goal. So if I only get to 350 but have a flat band from 2500-5000 then I think I've done well. I'm expecting roughly 6000 as the redline. Nothing crazy.